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Old 07-15-2017, 12:08 PM   #171 (permalink)
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:09 PM   #172 (permalink)
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Lectures are pretty archaic and ineffective though. Discussion and collaborative efforts actually helps people learn.
You learned that from professors who can't lecture.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:12 PM   #173 (permalink)
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You learned that from professors who can't lecture.
I learned it in a lecture...

Nobody strictly lectures anymore because it is ineffective. Discussion and activities that involve the students alongside lecture is the best approach and the one that is most common. Even in hard sciences if you can believe that. It should be pretty obvious that people will remember things that they were actively involved in.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:15 PM   #174 (permalink)
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I've had some really great lecture classes (world religions and business ethics), and some really terrible discussion classes (persuasive writing), and vice versa.

For discussion classes the quality is heavily determined by the teachers capability of moderating students, not stunting free speech, and remaining objective.

In lecture classes, I found the best ones when the professors were concise, unbiased, and found ways to make boring topics interesting/relatable. Also, when they allowed time for questions and short discussions to be handled throughout the lecture, it often helped reinforce the take away points of the presentation.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:34 PM   #175 (permalink)
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Well it depends on if you want to be entertained or educated. The work phase is assessment and something must be taught before it can be assessed. If students aren't learning during a competent lecture they're either stupid or lazy. Discussions feel nice and look good because there's naturally high engagement. Unless it's free it shouldn't be an equalitarian situation. The professor is being paid supposedly because he knows the content. Unless the students are being formally assessed they should be listening and asking questions only.
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Still deeply offended towards the attitudes that the ex-military and elderly shouldn't be assisted.

Firemen and policemen have it pretty good once they retire. (my nephew, and brother in law are firemen and one of my best friends is a cop). The pension plans for those jobs in most cases are pretty damn sweet compared to the VAST majority of most folks. And you can retire a lot earlier and still get full benefits.

Never, ever once attended a lecture. Maybe that's why my input is so obtuse?
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And you can get a free or damn near free education in the military or you can make the military your career.
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And you can get a free or damn near free education in the military or you can make the military your career.
Or you could have been jammed or suckered into it and just want to get out and have a real life.

Only about 15% of folks who sign up end up being career military.
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Still deeply offended towards the attitudes that the ex-military and elderly shouldn't be assisted.

Firemen and policemen have it pretty good once they retire. (my nephew, and brother in law are firemen and one of my best friends is a cop). The pension plans for those jobs in most cases are pretty damn sweet compared to the VAST majority of most folks. And you can retire a lot earlier and still get full benefits.

Never, ever once attended a lecture. Maybe that's why my input is so obtuse?
Nobody's talking about pensions. They're talking about senior citizen drinks at Burger King, which is kind of pointless and doesn't particularly help anyone. I'm all for Medicaid and Social Security and more services for ex-military, but a discount for a movie is basically just a supposed reward from a company that doesn't even care.

A reward should be for someone worth rewarding, and while plenty of the elderly and the military are perfectly non-****ty people as far as people go, you never know which one's a sex offender, murderer, neo-Nazi, or dog fighter. The government owes the military for being their service, and the elderly for paying so much into the system, but a discount from a business should go to people who aren't scum.
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Well it depends on if you want to be entertained or educated. The work phase is assessment and something must be taught before it can be assessed. If students aren't learning during a competent lecture they're either stupid or lazy. Discussions feel nice and look good because there's naturally high engagement. Unless it's free it shouldn't be an equalitarian situation. The professor is being paid supposedly because he knows the content. Unless the students are being formally assessed they should be listening and asking questions only.
Lectures are derived from before books were mass produced, where professors would dictate books for the class to copy. These days they can assign a reading and stick to more constructive approaches for class and cut the fat. If students aren't learning from a competent reading source and need it to be said out loud for them to understand it, they're either stupid or lazy.
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