Do you have a political role model?

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Unpopular opinion: Jesus is the ultimate political role model. Raising the dead for votes, whipping the **** out of bankers / moneylenders, chilling out with hookers in downtown Jerusalem. Hard to compete with that. :laughing:

Very popular opinion: Jesus is just the name of some dead illegal immigrant that will be voting for Biden by mail.

Jesus is cool but you can tell he smokes mids.

You sound like Sean Hannity.

You sound like Hannah Gadsby.

Come on folks. No one responded to this. Don't be shy. Elph? Speak up. What's wrong with Tulsi?

To be clear my question is not what is wrong with/why don't you like Tulsi. I can probably guess the answers to that. My question is why wouldn't you vote for her based on the same lesser of two evils calculus that you will use to vote for Biden. Or if we want to go even more hypothetical, why wouldn't you vote for a neocon like Bush if he was against Trump somehow. Unless you don't think Trump is actually worse. To me he clearly is, Iraq war aside

If Bush Jr. was running against Trump, I'd vote Trump without a second thought.

Tulsi would inspire people to vote, including me.

Biden won't.

Why do you prefer Trump to Bush Jr?

I view Bush Jr. as actively evil. I view Trump as incompetent and surrounded by bad advisors.

If my choice was four more years of Trump or four more years of Bush Jr., I'd take my chances with Trump.

If you don't view Trump as a pure sociopath then you have terrible character judgement.

Would you prefer Bush Jr.?

I'd prefer to cut both of their heads off.

They're both different kinds of incompetent evil that you play a role in furthering by choosing the "better" incompetent evil.

That sounds a little sociopathic to me.

I see it as the exact opposite. Bush was incompetent. Trump is actively trying to undermine the system every chance he gets.

What would Bush have done that Trump won't that makes him so much worse?

It’s self-defense.

Honestly, I don't know what Trump would or wouldn't do. I do know what he has done up to this point and what Bush Jr. has done.

Yes cause our current method of electing sociopaths is far more humane.

I mean Iraq was a disaster but it's pretty unlikely Bush would start another war after that. And it's also pretty likely that if Trump were prez when 9/11 happened he would've handled it similarly or even worse.

Bush Jr has a lot more blood on his hands. I commend you for saying it.

That was Bush Sr.

Uh no it wasn’t. Sorry.

yikes

It’s been a long life.

I don’t know if Trump would’ve started a war with a country that wasn’t involved.

Maybe he just would’ve killed OBL at Tora Bora right off the get.

It's possible he wouldn't though he supported the Iraq war at the time. Very likely he'd follow the advice of his handlers like GW did.

The real point is that the war in Iraq made war so unpopular in this country that it's doubtful the GOP are really going to try another one right now. So in the current context the lesser of two evils logic would apply just as much if it were a Republican running against Trump somehow. Maybe I ****ed the hypothetical up by picking an actual president in the past. Just replace GW with Jeb Bush and the point is the same.

elph

Would you vote for Trump if Hitler was the dem?

Yeah, that's the thing - it's impossible to know if we play with hypotheticals. If Trump was president in 2001 after 9/11, would he have made the same decisions as GW Bush? Maybe, maybe not. A lot of variables. The hypothetical might be different if 9/11 happened in our current time.

Trump does this act where he brags himself up, talks about how intelligent he is and all that ****. I'm no psychologist, but it might be because he's insecure about his knowledge and capabilities as President- in other words, he knows privately that he's in over his head and doesn't have the experience to take in the information and make decisions accordingly.

GW Bush, on the other hand, had this act where he'd portray himself as this goofy uncle/grampa sort of character. He'd say **** so dumb that with any other regular person, you'd be confident that said regular person was just a dumb ass. I don't buy Bush's act, I think he was more aware of what he was doing than is often portrayed. I think Cheney was obviously a negative influence, but I don't think Bush had no idea of the possible consequences of his actions and I don't think Cheney was the one pulling the strings. In his speeches before he was president, he was a lot more articulate. I think Bush did this act to make himself more endearing and to make people more forgiving of him when his legacy is assessed, because after all, he was just a bumbling buffoon right?

I don't buy the act, and I think Bush was just a straight up evil mother****er. Trump has his faults, and he has many, but he hasn't started a war that has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands) yet.

Bush Jr was a vindictive mother****er.

I loved how he murdered Saddam’s kids and put it on the telly. That **** was Jesse James raw af.

I was honestly a little disgusted when liberals all over Twitter were praising George W. Bush after Bush released that little Covid speech thing he did. Saying stuff like: "Now that's a real president right there" and "See? This is what we need - a president with empathy". I swear, these people either have a really short memory or are too young to remember the Bush years.

On another note, I hope the Dems aren't counting on the youth vote if we all vote-by-mail. Young folks today don't even know how to send things in the mail.

"Wait, I need a stamp? Okay - and where can I get one of those?"

.. you think Bush faked being a bumbling idiot cause he knew the negative reaction all his policies would get but wanted to deflect the blame? That's a hell of a theory.

Like I said though we've gotten way off point. Replace GW with Jeb Bush and the point is the same.

I think he tried to play it off like he was regular Texas good ol boy when he was really a Yankee intellectual.

That's true enough but I don't think he faked being dumb/clumsy with words. I think his stupidity was over exaggerated but I don't think the "fool me once can't be fooled again" type gaffes were staged.

And I think he honestly expected Iraq to be much more successful than it was.

Bush really was that stupid. Cheney was the scary one.

I should be careful with my words. I don't think he 'faked' it per se, but I do think he purposely cultivated that image (and did so successfully as you can see from Anteater's post above), especially as it became more obvious that the war was not going well.

Cultivated it how?

Here's a speech he gave in 2001 in which he spends the majority of said speech in reading from a "Bushisms" book.



Struggling to figure out how to put on a rain poncho during Trump's inauguration.



And of course, his vocal love for one of his favorite hobbies, painting cute pictures.

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Of course, my opinion on him cultivating this image is somewhat of a hot take. There's no way (at least now) to know for certain, but I do think he was smarter than people give him credit for and I do think he cultivated the image of him being an idiot to disarm people and make them more forgiving of his legacy. Me, personally? I think he's a war criminal that should be in jail. And even if Jeb was running against Trump, I'd still vote for Trump because **** the Bush dynasty. America has had enough Bushes. It's easy for most Americans to forget about Abu Ghraib - in fact, I'd imagine less than 10% of Americans would know what it is if you took a massive poll - but the Bush government oversaw some absolutely horrendous abuses of human rights. If one were to tell me that Bush didn't know about these black site torture camps, I'd be as convinced and persuaded if one were to tell me that Stalin didn't know about the gulags or that Hitler didn't know about Auschwitz and Dachau. If it were up to me, Bush Jr. would be painting his puppies from a prison cell.

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Reminds me of something Nietzsche once said:

"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche