Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

They say no but they really mean yes.

Sanders said yes in the first debate.

The stupid part is saying you need to ban private insurance.

Anteater · 07-31-2019, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was thinking that too.

That whole counter argument that they’re taking away “great coverage” that the unions fought for is such a ****ing joke. And the public option along side private insurers is ridiculous.

Even after watching the debate there’s like 4 or 5 I still don’t know from tonight.

Who the **** was that new guy arguing that America needs to keep a first strike nuclear attack option on the table. Seriously dude go be a Republican. Warren was looking at him stunned.

Warren articulated her points better than Bernie but Bernie hit some good zingers. Bernie ripped apart that idiotic bald ****.

That **** that hospitals would close with Medicare for All is crap. Their medical debt collection agencies would close.

And that ******* saying he’s against the Green New Deal. Warren threw a great zinger at him with “Why are you running for president if you don’t want to do anything?” Booya! The progressive message is so dominant. It’s amazing.

Unless Bernie has an actual plan in mind to give doctors and medical professionals more ways to build their practices without having to have a relationship with private insurance companies, I don't see any way for him to overhaul health care.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

yes and no

you still gotta tax those that want private care

so while "ban" is the wording it needs to be made clear that you're making it obsolete

No. Private insurance must be banned. No private care period. They can’t coexist. It has to be illegal to have anything but what the government provides so the rich will demand the government to provide what we need. I get the same deal as Bill Gates or Bill Gates won’t make sure I get what every human being deserves. A person’s wealth has to be completely removed from the equation or it’s going to be the same bull**** forever.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Unless Bernie has an actual plan in mind to give doctors and medical professionals more ways to build their practices without having to have a relationship with private insurance companies, I don't see any way for him to overhaul health care.

They get funded by Medicare for All which by design has to cost less because insurance companies make a profit. Since no profit is necessary in a socialized system that wasted excess is saved.

And if a hospital can’t treat people it’s just a building.

The hospitals won’t close. They’ll be busy treating people. And if the ones that only could treat rich people do close then good. **** them.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

France doesn't ban private care yet like maybe 1% of the country gets it because the public care is sufficient

Don't quote me on that number

After about twenty years when the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies have been dead and buried for years something like that might work in America. Right now those greedy bastards need to get Bernied.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

No. Private insurance must be banned. No private care period. They can’t coexist. It has to be illegal to have anything but what the government provides so the rich will demand the government to provide what we need. I get the same deal as Bill Gates or Bill Gates won’t make sure I get what every human being deserves. A person’s wealth has to be completely removed from the equation or it’s going to be the same bull**** forever.

Getting single payer passed at all is a long shot. Adding that to the mix guarantees it won't happen.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Getting single payer passed at all is a long shot. Adding that to the mix guarantees it won't happen.

My mother told me if you’re going to do something do it right.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I see what you're saying

the key either way is to not skip corners on funding

it'll be the same battle against conservatives trying to shiv it that other developed countries have when we eventually get something like the NHS

I’m not any kind of expert on France but I’ve been there. And maybe I’m the kind of person who sees what he wants to see. But I think in France, greed is generally frowned upon as uncouth. Synonymous with gluttony. Even with their creamy food they’re disgusted by our diet and our fat bodies. In Korea and Japan hard work is honored but they don’t equate it necessarily with wealth. The uniquely American national narrative that hard work equals wealth and therefore wealth is always well-deserved is amped up so far that it has become a celebration of greed. Every country is plagued with greed but American greed is the undisputed heavyweight champion. Therefore, as leftists, progressives, socialists, anarchists, whatever the **** we are, when there’s a profit motive where there shouldn’t be like in medicine and prisons and education, as Americans we have to be absolutely exhaustive when making sure there’s not a single ember from the profit motive left when we destroy these institutions because the insane wildfires of capitalism will rise again unless it’s totally ****ing decimated.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think it's inevitable we get it actually

I mean within the next 10-12 years

Me too. It’s in the air. Glory to God!!! It’s like gay rights was a whiff in the air. Now gay Marines are getting married and licking out each other’s asscracks instead of playing cards like the old days. They’re rimming and teabagging and fisting each other and posting it all Instagram and lining up in formation with **** dripping off their chins and everyone is cheering and waving rainbow flags and they don’t want to leave Afghanistan because they’re having sex with the Taliban six times a day during Ramadan. And nobody is wearing any clothes in Mecca.

It happens so fast.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

taking out student loans right now is like playing the Vegas odds on Bernie getting elected

I want that sweet sweet reimbursement

I can’t believe Gay Pete is against that ****. It’s a no brainer. School should be free. It’s good for society for people to know ****.

I’ll tell you a little secret. I got a pretty damn good score on the GRE. They should give me free tuition and a meal plan and train me for the Green New Deal. I test out as having the aptitude. I’m smart!