jwb

I think phrasing it as "the races being unequal" reminds people of things like eugenics and other forms of scientific racism. And it gives undue validity to the concept of race as a straight forward and self evident biological construct, which it's not. It's largely superficial.

Are there statistical differences between groups with regard to things like IQ? Probably. This is likely to be true whether you compare black Americans to white Americans or french Americans to Russian Americans. I wouldn't be surprised if you found some sort of statistical disparity just comparing right handed individuals vs left handed ones. In a way it seems less likely for different groups to match up completely in every domain than for there to be some sort of statistical disparity.

I think the implications of this are less profound than a lot of "race realists" tend to presume.

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jwb

I thought she was annoying during the debates but she's alright in some of the one in one interviews

To be fair I think her whole new age vibe is something that's existed on the left for a while.

jwb

I actually disagree.

There are likely to be disparities between groups either way, because it's just a random distribution of certain traits and there's no reason for them to be identical.

Like there can be average height differences between groups as well. There's no inherent reason all groups should be equally equipped in every domain.

jwb

I agree that's why I said the stuff about french Americans vs Russian Americans and left vs right handed people. You will find arbitrary statistical differences any time you compare two groups of people, imo

The thing to remember is they are statistical differences, not hard rules.

OccultHawk

There’s this and that impediment to drawing a convincing conclusion and we jump all over them when science doesn’t align with what we’re comfortable with or even might have the potential to. Hell, we can’t study race. Race isn’t even real. Black people don’t even have darker skin. It’s not like back in Darwin’s day when people were just pulling science out of their ass in accordance to social taboos. We’re all about the truth.

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I forget where but I saw this thing we’re German-Americans beat German-Canadians by like 15 IQ points. Variation is definitely the rule. That’s another impediment that social scientists would have to deal with but like who’s really going to bother?

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I'm not saying there isn't some taboo ground there but based on what I've seen, science dismantles the old white supremacists narrative more than it holds it up.

Like the very idea of race has no basis in biology and the way we categorized people by race were largely based on superficial cues that don't match up with specific genetically distinct groups.

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Right. It’s just by magic that people notice you’re the only white guy in a crowd.

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I don't see why it would any more than less taboo traits like height, dick size, etc. Statistical differences between groups are to be expected.