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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2134279)

Yeah. It’s very realistic to tell people not to use energy.

I'm referring to energy that doesn't have the same kinds of emissions.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2134280)

There is no solution. That doesn’t change that exponential population growth was at the core of our impending extinction.

It does because it is totally possible to create technology that doesn't harm the environment in the same way. That means the population growth was by definition not at the core of the problem because the problem can be avoided based on the decisions of said population.

Honestly I think you're just looking for an excuse for genocide.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2134286)

Sure. Maybe everyone will decide to stop ****ting while we’re at it.

The destruction is already past the point of no return.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2134288)

Sure. Maybe everyone will decide to stop ****ting while we’re at it.

The destruction is already past the point of no return.

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2134292)

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Of course everyone who says it will never happen is right until it happens.

It was great when my local politicians said they didn’t want to be “alarmist” about covid. Now with almost 190,000 dead they still justify their tempered response.

To look at the state of every corner of the environment and to conclude anything besides catastrophe is head in the sand denialism.

It was a record breaking 109 degrees in Los Angeles County yesterday. Humans can’t live in that ****.

The artic is on fire:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ntl/index.html

Summer 2020's Arctic wildfires set new emission records

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ution-problem/

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Eight million metric tons of plastic waste enter the oceans every year. This equates to one garbage truck’s worth of plastic being dumped into our oceans every minute. The total weight is the equivalent of 90 aircraft carriers. On top of that, models project that by 2050, there will be more plastic by weight than fish in the oceans.
This is tragic for many reasons. Whales, fish, seabirds, turtles and many other animals are eating the plastic and dying en masse. There are many studies in process exploring the relationship between human health problems and consuming fish that contain microplastics (bottles and other single-use items that have broken down). Oceanic ecosystems around the world have been ravaged by plastic waste.

Amazon rainforest continues to burn in 2020 despite promises to save it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...to-save-it.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...urope-53775597

Nestlé sued over tonnes of dead fish in French river

Complex security, environmental crises worsen conditions for over 360,000 in western Chad

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/08/1071312

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...fer-drying-out

National Climate Assessment: Great Plains’ Ogallala Aquifer drying out

Two cyclones in fortnight point towards increase in pre-monsoon cyclonic activity

Indicative of 'above normal' sea surface temperatures in Indian Ocean

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(CNN) Climate change is eating away Himalayan glaciers at a dramatic rate, a new study has revealed. Spanning 2,000 kilometers and harboring some 600 billion tons of ice, Himalayan glaciers supply around 800 million people with water for irrigation, hydropower and drinking

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2134288)

Sure. Maybe everyone will decide to stop ****ting while we’re at it.

The destruction is already past the point of no return.

So this just goes back to you thinking clean energy is science fiction....

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2134299)

So this just goes back to you thinking clean energy is science fiction....

Right now it is.

Even with the animation to make it more comprehensible, the story still sounds nuts.

I think America should have completely open borders

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you don't think the amount we consume or the way we consume has ANY effect on the environment?

There’s problems it can help with and problems it can’t. Just the bio-matter issue alone. And even a conversion to veganism doesn’t solve that problem because human agriculture is still space hoarding.

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there's more than one slider we can adjust

That’s true but population IS the we. The less people who have to adjust the easier it is to solve the problems and too many people make all adjustments futile. You can only become so extinct.

If you’re depleting resources faster than they can renew you’re ****ed. And we are.

Fossil fuel holds millions of years of stored up solar energy. Thinking we’re going to move off of them and continue this kind of energy consumption is like an NFL player who’s burning through $20 M a year and thinks he’s going to sustain the same lifestyle by opening carwashes after he retires.