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Ahh yes, gotta love the GOP pandering: "jews suck, muslims will kill you, gays are an abomination, pedophiles are cool, etc"

Instead of talking policy like the Dems. Very boring by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2143201)

Allegedly a big reason why Trump got so many supporters was because liberals are mean. Imagine your political identity being molded by the fact that you got bullied by a liberal. That's the most spineless thing ever. Like, you don't have an actual belief you're just a whiny bitch. Pathetic.

Probably true, too.

Also like how many "liberals" support the DNC because conservatives are Racist despite being rabidly conservative and full of internalized racism themselves.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 2143206)

Common white people. The low level of support they have among everyone else indicates they're out of touch with common people in general.

Trump: Look at black unemployment, it's lower than it's ever been. We're also offering this platinum plan that will spend $500 billion on the black community.

Biden: If you don't vote for me then you ain't black.

And that's why Republicans pulled a record number of minority supporters this election.

Maybe you're out of touch too for not realizing it.

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Originally Posted by debaserr (Post 2143207)

Ahh yes, gotta love the GOP pandering: "jews suck, muslims will kill you, gays are an abomination, pedophiles are cool, etc"

Instead of talking policy like the Dems. Very boring by comparison.

See my comment for Janzooon.

Populism isn't about talking about boring policy and Biden's policy and track record was ****ing garbage. He wants to spend MORE money on police. Like, what did he offer to the public to get them on his side other than "I'm not Trump."

Just because you have an extreme bias towards the Republicans for being total and utter pieces of ****ing garbage don't sit here and pretend the Democrats are not out of touch when they gave us Joe ****ing Biden after Hillary Clinton rather than Bernie or Warren.

Hear what you’re saying loud and clear Lucem

Completely agree

But at this one moment can we all just agree on F UCK DONALD TRUMP?

Just because I need a win man

I don't think the promise of Biden was to pull in minority votes. I don't think he was repelling them, but the drop from Obama to Clinton said enough about what Biden was going to do. Biden was here to pull the Bruce Springsteen white folks.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143220)

Hear what you’re saying loud and clear Lucem

Completely agree

But at this one moment can we all just agree on F UCK DONALD TRUMP?

Just because I need a win man

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I don't know much how much vindication we'll get with Trump...

Like it or not, a Trump self-pardon may be coming soon

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On July 22, 2017, President Trump tweeted that he had the “complete power to pardon.” Roughly a year later, he tweeted about his “absolute right to PARDON myself.”

Should he lose his reelection bid to Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden (Trump’s campaign is currently challenging vote counts in several states), a lame-duck Trump would be well-positioned to finally put these beliefs into action by pardoning himself before leaving office on Jan. 20, 2021.

Why might Trump need to pardon himself? The Mueller investigation (or, as Trump would put it, “the illegal Mueller Witch Hunt”) unveiled several instances of possible obstruction of justice. These allegations, along with potential tax fraud and running afoul of campaign finance laws, are federal charges that Trump has avoided because he is the sitting president. They could return once a new administration takes over.

At this point in his presidency, Trump has the most freedom he will ever enjoy to grant clemency to anyone he would like, including former campaign manager Paul Manafort, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and longtime friend and adviser Roger Stone (whose sentence was commuted, but not fully pardoned). If he pardons these associates, Trump would join three of his four most recent predecessors (excluding Obama) who abused clemency for personal reasons during their final months in office. George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush used clemency to assist political allies (six Iran-Contra defendants and “Scooter” Libby, respectively, although Libby just received a commutation from Bush). Bill Clinton favored helping out wealthy supporters and family members, among others (think Marc Rich and Roger Clinton). However, Trump’s legal vulnerabilities may encourage him to take abusing clemency a step further than Bush, Clinton or Bush.

May Trump self-pardon? Article II of the Constitution contains broad, virtually unlimited clemency language that allows the president to forgive any federal crime. However, the Constitution is silent on the self-pardon question, and there is no example of an American president ever following through on a self-pardon attempt. The case for a self-pardon being constitutionally allowed rests heavily on the principle that the Constitution does not forbid the practice, therefore it should be permissible. Much of the case law on the president’s pardon power upholds a broad clemency power and defers largely to the president’s judgment. The arguments against a self-pardon include the view that the clemency power should be checked by other provisions of the Constitution, and that serving as a judge in one’s own case is generally not recognized by American legal standards.

Should Trump attempt to pardon himself, a Supreme Court case suggests that such a move is akin to admitting guilt. In other words, a self-pardon would ultimately be self-defeating because it would supply the impetus needed by Congress to deploy the ultimate constitutional remedy for abuses of power: impeachment. Of course, Trump has already been impeached once. Would a Democratic House try to impeach him again if he ends up having to exit the White House early next year? Unlikely.

Under these unique circumstances, then, impeachment would seem to be an ineffective deterrent, and therefore a self-pardon might succeed. It is unclear who, if anyone, would have the necessary legal standing required to challenge a presidential self-pardon in court. And even if a challenge was successfully brought, the ultimate decision would likely rest with the United States Supreme Court. How many of its six Republican-appointed justices (including three nominated by Trump himself) would oppose a Republican president’s self-pardon attempt? Unclear.

A less controversial alternative to a self-pardon would be for Trump and Vice President Pence to use the 25th Amendment to achieve the result they want. Trump would temporarily step down from the presidency at some point before the official end of his term, leaving Pence to take over as acting chief executive. Acting President Pence would pardon Trump, who could then become president again or resign from office. If pressed by Trump, would Pence — who may hope to run for president himself at some point — agree to such an arrangement? Unknown.

Assuming Trump’s legal challenges in several states fail to impact the election result, a President-elect Biden might be set to take office in 11 weeks. Before that occurs, Trump will have plenty of time to prepare clemency warrants for any federal offender he wishes. If he is desperate enough for relief from federal charges that he is willing to endure the judgment of history, he may even add his own name to that list.

The Framers of the Constitution intended clemency to be used as an act of grace shown to an individual or for the public welfare. They endowed a broad clemency power and trusted that the president would use it responsibly. Trump may ultimately have the power to pardon himself, but that does not mean that he should do so.

Jeffrey Crouch is an assistant professor of American politics at American University. He is editor of Congress & the Presidency journal, and author of “The Presidential Pardon Power.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...be-coming-soon

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Originally Posted by debaserr (Post 2143250)

I don't know much how much vindication we'll get with Trump...

Like it or not, a Trump self-pardon may be coming soon

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...be-coming-soon

Call me a shill, but I don't care. Him being in prison is some West Wing Fan Club liberal porn for anyone with an NPR tote bag.

I want him gone so the nation can be normal. That the factions of Bernie-Center-Lincoln had to unite against this clown is bad for Democracy.

Not to get way off-topic, but jail should be for people who commit violent crims against others. Everyone else can be dealt with sans incarceration.

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The case for a self-pardon being constitutionally allowed rests heavily on the principle that the Constitution does not forbid the practice, therefore it should be permissible. Much of the case law on the president’s pardon power upholds a broad clemency power and defers largely to the president’s judgment. The arguments against a self-pardon include the view that the clemency power should be checked by other provisions of the Constitution, and that serving as a judge in one’s own case is generally not recognized by American legal standards.

There’s also just plain ****ing common sense. It’s not specifically banned because it’s so goddamned ridiculous no one ever thought about it. The problem of using weird loopholes and the fundamental worship of the literal written word has taken us to very strange places. The “founding fathers” didn’t consider themselves gods and didn’t think they were writing a ****ing bible. They expected people to be able to use some ****ing horse-sense and throw out obvious absurdities.

This wild obsession with austere letter of the law thing is about to **** up the election. Can you get millions of votes without a few people voting out of district? No. But people voted out of district in Nevada. Letter of the law throw the election out. Did Pennsylvania allow a ballot that was postmarked the 2nd but arrived on the third to be counted? Illegal vote. Throw out the results. Election was rigged.

The Republicans are falling in line with Trump on tossing the democracy. I’ve been watching FOX. When the FAR far cult Catholic right controls the court and any ****ing absurdity that a narcissistic mind can come up with goes to the court. And we openly allow the president to break the law (obstruction - it’s a big crime - if you don’t believe me try flushing evidence in front of the police) but they refuse to arrest him. And even leftists on here say oh you can’t arrest him you have to impeach. No! You don’t have to impeach. He can be impeached but he can also be arrested by any cop in his district. The capitol police.

This system of checks and balances doesn’t work when the people are absurdist *******s.

Pardon yourself? Goddamn. It doesn’t even deserve consideration. It’s a ****ing laughingstock idea but oh yeah it’ll work in 2020 because there’s nothing too ridiculous for this freak show of a country.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2143252)

I also think it’s probably for the best that he just go. But you don’t let him pardon himself because it’s ridiculous, sets a horrible precedent and allows every future president to be a de facto dictator. Oh did I just have a million illegals executed? Self-pardon time!

But the idea that he doesn’t deserve jail or that he’s non-violent is insane. Ice detention centers? Deported children without parents? Intentionally spreading covid? ****ing Idi Amin ****.

But Nixon murdered a million southeast Asians and they let that go...