Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 07:52 PM

So I was basically right there's no lack of peace between them and this is a sort of symbolic gesture which isn't unwelcome but also doesn't address some sort of pressing issue?

It's not really hard to see why this isn't big news with everything else going on.

Also, Trump's foreign policy in the middle east has been terrible. Ending the Iran deal and killing Soleimani were the worst US foreign policy moves since 2003. And pulling out of northern Syria the way he did was a huge gift to ISIS and pretty much a stamp of approval on ethnic cleansing of a group who had for decades before been considered a US ally in the region.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 07:56 PM

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The Democrats are trying to get a more comprehensive bill where as Trump and the Republicans are looking for a symbolic and or short term gesture to make the American people feel like they're trying something. That's why they can't reach an agreement. You would think Trump would benefit from a comprehensive plan but there's still Republican ideology to contend with. They want to severely cut unemployment payments, among other things.

The Dems propose **** they know won’t pass

I love my dog. If I told my dog she couldn’t eat because I’m holding out for better dog food she’d tell me to just go buy what they got. If I didn’t do that she’d probably think I really didn’t care if she starved.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:04 PM

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... Cause who the **** cares? We have real **** to worry about right now.

I mean good for them I guess but the Saudis and Israel have already been in decent enough terms due to their mutual enemy in Iran. Maybe I'm missing something... Was there any lack of peace between Israel and the UAE?

A Gulf State making a formal agreement with Israel might end up meaning something. It’s more than a peace agreement. It’s a statement that Palestinians might have to stay in their lane and let a Jew be a Jew. It’s a statement against the regional obsession over there that every inch of the earth needs to be governed by Muslims.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:09 PM

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And pulling out of northern Syria the way he did was a huge gift to ISIS and pretty much a stamp of approval on ethnic cleansing of a group who had for decades before been considered a US ally in the region.

You’re still pretty choked up about the Kurds, huh?

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:14 PM

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The Dems propose **** they know won’t pass

I love my dog. If I told my dog she couldn’t eat because I’m holding out for better dog food she’d tell me to just go buy what they got. If I didn’t do that she’d probably think I really didn’t care if she starved.

... Dunno if you read your own article but the Dems and Reps each came up with their own versions of a bill and the Dems were about $2.5 billion above the Reps.

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In May, Democrats passed a sweeping $3.4 trillion package, but the White House wants a targeted $1 trillion bill; Democrats have said they’re willing to shave $1 trillion off their ask if the Administration will come up $1 trillion (an offer Mnuchin dismissed as a “non-starter”).

The GOP refused to compromise at all. Maybe that's acceptable to you. Maybe cause you're not on unemployment and not otherwise going to be ****ed by the cheap election stunt of a bill the Republicans want to pass - or maybe you just don't see the way you'll be ****ed.

Either way, if you're self centered enough not to care about the people who will be screwed over by setting then **** your free money.

SGR · 08-15-2020, 08:16 PM

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Also, Trump's foreign policy in the middle east has been terrible. Ending the Iran deal and killing Soleimani were the worst US foreign policy moves since 2003. And pulling out of northern Syria the way he did was a huge gift to ISIS and pretty much a stamp of approval on ethnic cleansing of a group who had for decades before been considered a US ally in the region.

I don't agree with extra-judicial killings of people, even sketchy generals like Soleimani. But we've yet to see the long-term results of this decision (or even pulling out of the Iran Deal). We've seen plenty of the consequences of the Iraq War, but the US killed Soleimani and what happened? Iran huffed and puffed, rattled their sabers, fired off a couple missiles and that's it. BFD. Will it engender more hatred towards us from a broader segment of the Middle East? Maybe. Is it possible that defanging Iran and its leaders could endear us to some segments of the Middle East? Perhaps. But we don't know the long term results yet. Comparing it to the US foreign policy regarding the Iraq War, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, seems like a false equivalency to me. What about the assassination of Gadaffi? Were the consequences of that insignificant?

How would you propose that we pull out of Northern Syria? Should we stay there until everyone is hunky dory with each other and singing Kumbaya in the name of Yahweh and Allah?

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:17 PM

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You’re still pretty choked up about the Kurds, huh?

I know you instinctively support any measure that "removes troops" even if it just moved them to a different part of the middle east, but yea, that was a demonstrably stupid and/or murderous move and you should feel evil and/or stupid for supporting it.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:18 PM

The choice is something or nothing.

Yes I’d rather have the dem plan but the republicans have the power to put the breaks on wherever they want. I can’t eat a plan and neither can anyone else.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:21 PM

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Iran huffed and puffed, rattled their sabers, fired off a couple missiles and that's it. BFD.

I have to say I thought they were serious. Maybe they’re playing the long game and plotting a 9/11.

SGR · 08-15-2020, 08:23 PM

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I have to say I thought they were serious. Maybe they’re playing the long game and plotting a 9/11.

Just like NK was serious when they were firing off missiles. It's just saber rattling. Iran saw what happened to Iraq - and for all of Trump's faults, some of their leaders might actually believe that he'd be crazy enough to engage in some kind of war against them.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	So I was basically right there's no lack of peace between them and this is a sort of symbolic gesture which isn't unwelcome but also doesn't address some sort of pressing issue? It's not really hard to see why this isn't big news with everything else going on. Also, Trump's foreign policy in the middle east has been terrible. Ending the Iran deal and killing Soleimani were the worst US foreign policy moves since 2003. And pulling out of northern Syria the way he did was a huge gift to ISIS and pretty much a stamp of approval on ethnic cleansing of a group who had for decades before been considered a US ally in the region.