Political Discussions for "Adults"

Anteater · 08-22-2020, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Let's be honest, the rich will be the ones financing the robot slave caste and as such will deny the poor any of their benefits and demand that the working class pull their weight alongside the robots or starve.

The more you can eliminate scarcity, the less leverage the rich actually get with their money. That's why labor, energy and food are the primary areas that need to be dealt with in regards to tech advancements + cost effectiveness. Imagine being able to provide meat, veggies, etc. to everyone without the need for farms, slaughterhouses, etc. etc. Hell, they're already growing filet mignon steaks in labs with just a cell or two from the cow.

And in regards to health care, I think we're still in the dark ages in regards to a lot of things as well as biotech, but we are still seeing advances in those areas despite everything that's going on.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 07:05 PM

How specifically did Lenin use electoral pragmatism/lesser of two evils voting to pursue the eventual takeover of the Bolsheviks

TheBig3 · 08-22-2020, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Come on though do you not see corporate money as a hurdle you simply can not overcome? They can literally pay people to muddy the waters so that the hoi polloi don't know who to believe and if they don't know what to believe they'll just go with whatever option keeps the status quo they're comfortable with going.

Honestly the only reasonable option is probably waiting until global warming destroys the economy and devastates populations, and then forming a coalition of the working class who finally have no choice whatsoever but to accept that the neoliberal world order was intentionally operating in such a way that they would maximize profits at the expense of essentially the apocalypse that is now destroying the populace's way of life before their very eyes.

I simply do not see any option where we minimize losses and everything just kinda works out, and I definitely don't see an option where the working classes wake up before the worst happens. And the end result will probably be a dark age of guillotines and chaos.

A hurdle in what way? I don't think corporate money is good, but I'm trying to figure out when I said I didn't care about it.

We're teetering on economic collapse, and that could turn the tide, but it's going to have to be one win after another. Save for total catastrophe we're not going to get a new deal.

The other thing is how this 2020 Census plays out. Another reason for a Biden vote. He'll make the downballot races easier to win.

**Frownland** · 08-22-2020, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

i actually dgaf about 3rd parties and think parliamentary systems can easily suck as much ding ding as ours

100%

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 07:13 PM

I'm not reading that right now but let's say he "supported" it... My point is it has no track record of working towards the goals of revolution. Lenin also "supported' democracy in general.. just not in practice. It could just be preferred rhetorical framing rather than actual preferred strategy.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 07:23 PM

He was also a propagandist that didn't practice what he preached.

TheBig3 · 08-22-2020, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

He was also a propagandist that didn't practice what he preached.

Do you have a political role model?

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 07:30 PM

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Do you have a political role model?

Skynet

Anteater · 08-22-2020, 07:39 PM

Unpopular opinion: Jesus is the ultimate political role model. Raising the dead for votes, whipping the **** out of bankers / moneylenders, chilling out with hookers in downtown Jerusalem. Hard to compete with that.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I'm not reading that right now but let's say he "supported" it... My point is it has no track record of working towards the goals of revolution. Lenin also "supported' democracy in general.. just not in practice. It could just be preferred rhetorical framing rather than actual preferred strategy.

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