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Batlord said trump can't use that against him cause he's guilty too. I said he could and did in 2016(thinking he was referring to Bill's sex scandals in general, not specifically the Epstein stuff). I never suggested he wouldn't use the Epstein stuff against Bill, batlord did. So you seemed to have misread whatever it was you thought you were responding to.

bro she's trying to get Hillary to back her, and she backed Hillary in 2016 over Sanders

She says she doesn't plan on "rocking the boat"

for a second I thought you said "when she was hawt" and got confused.

No. She's been preaching a message that was more progressive and closer to Sanders than it was to Clinton for years before the 2016 election.

She made a cynical political calculation, as she is doing now. She has little support among working class or minority voters. Much less than Biden even. Her only real in road is by trying to appeal to the elite and academic class that she's the safe yet sufficiently progressive choice. These people aren't nearly so enthusiastic about things like single payer, they are putting their finger up to the wind and trying to predict the weather.

If she's closer in her politics to Clinton than Sanders then you can drop the "populist" part of that title

But they aren't, imo. In rhetoric she's not as hard-line but still closer to Sanders than she is to Clinton. She didn't back him cause she saw him as a losing candidate.

The whole "elites came to her first" argument is like a chicken or the egg question. They came to her because she's towing the necessary line for them to feel comfortable doing so. They don't come to you unless you tow that line.

The lizard part comes in where she is basically trying to appeal to populist sentiment while simultaneously entrenching herself within the establishment.

Nobody is confused as to where Joe Biden's loyalty lies. But the casual observer is very likely to be unclear as what the difference between Bernie Sanders and Warren is. They treat them as if their names are practically synonyms in the mainstream press and during the debates.

Like why do you think it's problematic for her to accept big donors in the general election? Isn't that the "pragmatic" thing to do?

Elizabeth Warren qualifies as one of the "elites" as far as I'm concerned.

How Elizabeth Warren Built A $12 Million Fortune

Definitely a "one-percenter" by personal wealth if that $12 Million estimate is correct.

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No doubt but in this case I'm talking about the big money donors and political elites who generally want you to at least in part do their bidding return for their support.

This was how Trump was percieved as an "outsider" despite being firmly entrenched in the 1%. He was a political outsider because he didn't have the right allies or the trust of the establishment.

Of course once he became the nominee for certain that started to change.

The Young Turks impress me about as much as the merit weekly update

That clip wasn't from the young Turks. The girl being interviewed is.

Maybe if you guys weren't so quick to skip a video based on the source you wouldn't be so uniformed

I ain’t got no uniform bitch

Lol.

Uninformed*

She's literally campaigning on Medicare for all.

Uh, Bernie's plan is incremental.

Warren's plan is to-be-determined. By lizards in a space bunker on Mars.

IIRC Bernie's plan includes a 4 year plan of gradually extending Medicare coverage. Hence incremental.

Warren isn't even making it clear she is committed to Medicare for all above other plans, which you would know had you watched the video

Do you have a link because that’s 100% ****ed.

That video wasn’t going to show any Warren footage. It’s just some bitch talking which basically equals a post on here.

It references her.

My advice to the Democrats: don't throw stones in glass houses. There are better hills to die on if you want Trump out. Like getting his tax returns.

This kinda goes back to what I said a long time ago about the Mueller stuff. If any kind of "opposition research" from another country is wrong, then it's wrong. But if that's the case, then stop doing it yourselves.

Politico - 2017 - Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

"Butwudabout" is a stupid excuse to not hold people accountable for their actions. Lock up these hypocritical dems too, let's actually see some ****ing action instead of another round of partisan finger wagging.

For real. If anyone breaks the law after being elected, throw their ass in jail. Better yet, take their heads. We could use a deterrent for opportunists.

I agree

I will also add that when you're the president, your actions tend to draw a little more scrutiny.

This scandal is only getting worse for Trump by the day. I'm not saying the Republican lead Congress will actually remove him from office, though it's not actually impossible at this point.

But in any case his campaign is probably going to suffer from all of this. Polls are already shifting among the public in the direction of impeachment.

And Ant.. you keep saying the thing about his taxes. Impeaching him is actually the most likely way to get that sort of information. There's no law saying he has to share his tax info so short of that, what are they really going to do except continue to ask to see them and get stone walled?

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You need to post more.

Dude, it's called precedent. Of all the issues they could have chosen to build an impeachment case around, they picked the absolute worst hill to die on. It's not like anyone has forgotten Fusion GPS either. They're as boneheaded as the people who think trading in one out of touch lying old man (Trump) for another (Biden) is somehow a massive improvement. At least Warren and others are gaining real steam now.

You're aware they can add articles of impeachment, right? That simply opening an inquiry and starting the proceedings gives them more leverage to demand access to evidence and/or testimony from those in the white house?

This scandal has legs because there's a pretty clear trail of evidence. It might very well end up implicating Biden in the process. Biden isn't president. Keep going.

I'm not much for authoritarian reasoning for allowing corruption in politics.

Just giving you a heads up, because what I'm talking about is going to come up when all of this goes to trial in the Senate. Why do you think Barr is flying around following every dot going back to the start of the investigations into Trump? There's a lot of potential blowback here.

The best possible scenario would be if all of this ends up making it completely clear to all these asswipes that nobody can do opposition research of any kind with foreign governments, but that's probably too optimistic.

They "can" add them (and likely will), but he still going to win 2020 in a landslide unless they actually lead with a different issue. The American public isn't known for having the best attention span these days. We'll see how it all plays out.

Cheap whataboutism is going to be employed by our country's hyperpartisan politicians when their side is under threat? You don't say!

The American public is already showing increased interest in impeachment as this story plays out.

And lol @ a landslide. He barely won the first time. His approval rating has never been good. He has a steady and consistent base. That's all he has.

I've got my popcorn out.

Trump's gonna lose 2020, but he's gonna win 2024.

CNN - Cory Booker on Trump-Ukraine scandal: 'If you come after Joe Biden, you're going to have to deal with me'

Pack it up boys, Blumpf is done.

Cory Booker is irrelevant

I know you're way richer than me Ant

Do you like to gamble?

I lost big at Vegas three Christmases ago. :laughing:

The “left” wanting to politic Trump into being more war crazy is straight up shameful. Avoiding what’s left of the war in Syria is 100% the right move.

Can't say I disagree with the President on this one, either.