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SGR 05-03-2022 11:51 AM

yeah, just saw confirmation on that, thanks rs

jadis 05-03-2022 11:52 AM

If there can be one positive from this disaster is that maybe they'll remove all the corny Notorious RBG merch from New York book stores, though not holding my breath

jwb 05-03-2022 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2204322)
this is 100% Hillary Clinton's fault

i agree 100%

The Batlord 05-04-2022 05:23 PM

You're both on Hillary's dick for ****boi reasons.

Lisnaholic 05-04-2022 06:48 PM

Sometimes I think a big picture position is helpful to get some perspective on what goes on in the US. Here, for example, is a global map showing access to abortion around the world.

https://reproductiverights.org/maps/...abortion-laws/

Two updates to the map:
Mexico has recently become blue, afaik, and legalized abortion.
Texas, i think, has already gone a shade of red, depending on their type of ban. They have joined such mainstream enlightened countries as Iraq, Iran, Myanmar, Libya, Loa People's Dem Rep.(move your cursor on the map and it'll tell you the name.)

Trigger states will be in curious company if Roe vs Wade is overturned.

Lisnaholic 05-04-2022 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2204319)
The people who said your vote doesn't matter, or that the two parties are the same are just as responsible for this as Trump was in appointing 3 Supreme Court Justices.

That's overstating things a little, I think. The GOP carry the bulk of the blame, because it is their active machinations for years that has led to today's corrupt the Supreme Court.
Pro-choice sympathisers who didn't bother voting are just a lesser version of Dem politicians who have not wanted to bite the bullet imo. That blame game goes back at least as far as the Obama era, when they let Bitch McConnell break the law with impunity. As I understand it, Congress "shall" debate and vote for Supreme Court candidates nominated by the sitting President. That means they have to, and when McConnell said no, Obama should have said, "Ok, you waive your right, so merik garland goes straight to the Supreme Court without a hearing". Instead, like the non-voters you criticise, for the Dems it was a case of, "What the GOP is doing is wrong, but I don't have the energy to fight for what's right."

Historically, that's not a very courageous position, and after the proud Civil Rights era of the 60s, today's America is not going to look so good, I fear.

PS: Another "good guy" I would call out is Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who should've guessed that she might not outlive the next uncertain, up-coming presidency. But instead of retiring in a timely manner during the Obama presidency, she put her own vain hubris above the good of the Supreme Court and so let Trump get another perjurous judge nominated in her place.

jwb 05-04-2022 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2204358)
for being a woman I guess

for being not man enough to save this country

The Batlord 05-04-2022 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2204364)
That's overstating things a little, I think. The GOP carry the bulk of the blame, because it is their active machinations for years that has led to today's corrupt the Supreme Court.
Pro-choice sympathisers who didn't bother voting are just a lesser version of Dem politicians who have not wanted to bite the bullet imo. That blame game goes back at least as far as the Obama era, when they let Bitch McConnell break the law with impunity. As I understand it, Congress "shall" debate and vote for Supreme Court candidates nominated by the sitting President. That means they have to, and when McConnell said no, Obama should have said, "Ok, you waive your right, so merik garland goes straight to the Supreme Court without a hearing". Instead, like the non-voters you criticise, for the Dems it was a case of, "What the GOP is doing is wrong, but I don't have the energy to fight for what's right."

Historically, that's not a very courageous position, and after the proud Civil Rights era of the 60s, today's America is not going to look so good, I fear.

PS: Another "good guy" I would call out is Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who should've guessed that she might not outlive the next uncertain, up-coming presidency. But instead of retiring in a timely manner during the Obama presidency, she put her own vain hubris above the good of the Supreme Court and so let Trump get another perjurous judge nominated in her place.

No Obama could not have done that. But the Dems were certainly gutless about fighting for it. And giving Trump an agreement to let his picks pass as if it would lead to bipartisan goodwill was pure idiocy. And yes **** Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

Queen Boo 05-04-2022 09:53 PM

Don't worry ladies, just become a Republican's mistress and tell him it's his, you'll get an abortion AND a free trip to Canada.

rubber soul 05-05-2022 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2204364)
That's overstating things a little, I think. The GOP carry the bulk of the blame, because it is their active machinations for years that has led to today's corrupt the Supreme Court.
Pro-choice sympathisers who didn't bother voting are just a lesser version of Dem politicians who have not wanted to bite the bullet imo. That blame game goes back at least as far as the Obama era, when they let Bitch McConnell break the law with impunity. As I understand it, Congress "shall" debate and vote for Supreme Court candidates nominated by the sitting President. That means they have to, and when McConnell said no, Obama should have said, "Ok, you waive your right, so merik garland goes straight to the Supreme Court without a hearing". Instead, like the non-voters you criticise, for the Dems it was a case of, "What the GOP is doing is wrong, but I don't have the energy to fight for what's right."

Historically, that's not a very courageous position, and after the proud Civil Rights era of the 60s, today's America is not going to look so good, I fear.

PS: Another "good guy" I would call out is Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who should've guessed that she might not outlive the next uncertain, up-coming presidency. But instead of retiring in a timely manner during the Obama presidency, she put her own vain hubris above the good of the Supreme Court and so let Trump get another perjurous judge nominated in her place.

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I don't think there is a rule that says the Senate cannot stall a judicial appointment, even by way of never holding a hearing. In any event, a President cannot simply put someone on the Supreme Court without Senate approval, otherwise you have a dictatorship.

As far as RBG, yes, she should have retired long before she died, probably under the Obama administration (her health had been poor for at least a decade). Retiring during the Trump era would have been counterproductive as they simply would have shifted the court sooner. Maybe she had counted on Hillary winning in 2016 a little too much.


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