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01-31-2020, 03:47 PM | #4651 (permalink) | ||
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If you bothered checking out what Parnas said, Trump called for the firing of his Ukrainian ambassador months before Biden even announced he was running, and wanted to look into Ukraine because of a Politico article published in 2017 that showcased the DNC"s efforts to gather dirt on him and Manafort in 2016. He was talking about Burisma way back in early 2018.
The Democrats are making the case that somehow Trump knew Joe Biden was going to run for POTUS before anyone else did...including Biden himself. Bizarre.
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01-31-2020, 04:45 PM | #4653 (permalink) |
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Sorry but this defense is complete utter nonsense. First of all, he knew Biden would likely be running. Everybody did. Acting like it couldn't possibly be political before Biden announced is at best naive and at worst dishonest.
Second, the Ukraine hacking the DNC instead instead of Russia is a piece of Russian propaganda. The motives don't line up at all. The hacks were clearly designed to hurt Hilary. Yet Trump takes the Kremlin at his word that Russia didn't interfere. But for some reason Ukrainian corruption is the issue. And not all corruption. Just Biden's son. Yea, nothing personal or political about that. Third, cooperating with Ukraine to get them to investigate Biden as "punishment" for the govt supposedly hacking our elections makes 0 sense. If Ukraine did something that he legit thought needed "punishing"there are official channels for doing so. If he really thought there was a worthwhile investigating to carry out on the Biden's that was not personal or political but based on US strategic interests and national security, there are official channels for doing so. Instead he sent his goons and worked through back channels. You don't associate with a guy like Lev Parnas unless you are doing some dirt. You don't send your personal lawyer to do the work of the justice dept. And you don't keep everyone else in govt in the dark in the meantime, unless once again you're doing something shady. People from the OMB have said the freeze on the aid is clearly illegal. Bolton called the whole thing a drug deal in a text message that was released in the transcripts, which he didn't even intend for public consumption. And there have been various others who reportedly sounded the alarm during the whole transaction that they were concerned they were doing something illegal. As soon as Trump got caught, he released the aid. He claimed not to know Lev Parnas after he got nabbed, now there audio of him ordering Parnas to get rid of the ambassador. He's used to surrounding himself with criminals but they have always fallen on their sword in the past. He finally found one that would stab him in the back after being stabbed in the back himself. Everything points to not only that he's guilty but that he knows it and has acted as such from the beginning. I would honestly respect the Republicans more if that just said yes he's guilty but we got the votes so **** off |
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If there's one positive that I hope to take away from the Trump Administration, it's that it exposed a lot of flaws in the Democratic establishment and brought them to the forefront. Problem is, people are so partisan that they're ignoring it to essentially defend Biden just because they want to see Trump impeached so bad. He's a bad president who doesn't care about anyone, but not everything or anybody is an upgrade just because of that. I wish that people would forget about impeachment for the most part and focus their efforts on getting someone like Bernie Sanders nominated, who would almost certainly beat Trump in an election but who the DNC establishment is working against because they know he's going to hold guys like Warren Buffett (big DNC donor) responsible.
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01-31-2020, 05:31 PM | #4655 (permalink) |
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It's still impeachment whether he's removed from office or not
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01-31-2020, 05:34 PM | #4656 (permalink) |
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trump doesnt even understand that^
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1. I'm not talking about any kind of hacking. The DNC paid third party consultants to investigate Paul Manafort with the express purpose of digging up dirt on the Trump campaign. They also, along with some Never-Trumper Republicans, were responsible for paying Fusion GPS to compile the infamous dossier. Both of these activities constitute actual election meddling and make all this outrage at Trump's Ukrainian phone call more than a little funny. I don't recall anyone going to prison, being arrested, removed from office or getting in trouble over that, otherwise you would have already known what I was talking about. That's why I've said before that impeachment has to be more than a political process. Telling America "there's nothing to see here" in regards to Joe and Hunter Biden isn't a compelling message. They could have focused in on potential conflicts of interest related to his businesses, profiting from the Presidency, his taxes, countless other things....and they chose Ukraine of all things as the hill they wanted to die on. 2. John Solomon already made a good case for why the Bidens should be investigated. There's a wonderful timeline going back to 2014, fully documented. Especially in regards to Burisma around 2016. Ukraine Timeline 2014-2019 3. At the time and date Parnas mentioned, there was no way Trump or anyone else could have known Biden was going to run. Zero. Trump's motivations for looking into the Bidens, Burisma, CrowdStrike and Ukraine itsself are based around what I've outlined in points 1 and 2. Joe Biden didn't even make it known he was going to run until late March 2019. Is he psychic?
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But it's an abuse of power as president to use your powers to extort a foreign govt to smear a political rival for personal gain. It's that simple. Freezing the aid in the manner which he did for leverage was also illegal. Quote:
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As for this alternative history narrative that this whole thing was to punish the Ukraine for meddling in our elections while basically ignoring the Russians who did the actual hacking, what is the direct connection between Hunter Biden being on Burisma and this supposed interference by the Ukrainian government? Quote:
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Secondly, if you actually dive into the specifics of the timeline regarding the aid, it's been documented that over half of it was actually released to them on July 31st (to the tune of around 125 million), The second half of it, which was called Tranche 2, was released on September 12th. So was anything actually "held up" or did the media just run with the story based on hearsay from a lot of people who didn't actually know? Quote:
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However, Russia has already been punished by the Trump administration with nastier sanctions (among other things). If your curious about some of those specifics, Noam Chomsky has been interviewed a few times on the subject and talks extensively about it. The DNC digging around in Ukraine and Hunter Biden / Joe Biden using Burisma as a way to launder government money back into the U.S. are separate incidents that occurred in the same general window of time. Mykola Zlochevsky, Burisma's CEO (who was also one of the former government officials approached by Chalupa when she was digging around for the DNC) also happens to be the guy who personally appointed Hunter Biden to his board of directors to "protect" the company from prying eyes. It was only after he was appointed that Burisma's lawyers got to meet with the State Department and then Shokin got fired. There are other people that serve as intersection points between these two different series of events, but either way it justifies the idea that there was more to look into, corruption-wise, than what actually was done back in 2016. Quote:
When I saw what Parnas wrote about that early 2018 dinner they had, like why Trump decided to fire his Ukrainian ambassador ("she's a holdover from the Clinton administration"), it made it look like that Biden's name came up afterward when Trump was already looking into Ukraine prior to learning about Hunter Biden's ties with Burisma.
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