Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

I don't agree with extra-judicial killings of people, even sketchy generals like Soleimani. But we've yet to see the long-term results of this decision (or even pulling out of the Iran Deal). We've seen plenty of the consequences of the Iraq War, but the US killed Soleimani and what happened? Iran huffed and puffed, rattled their sabers, fired off a couple missiles and that's it. BFD. Will it engender more hatred towards us from a broader segment of the Middle East? Maybe. Is it possible that defanging Iran and its leaders could endear us to some segments of the Middle East? Perhaps. But we don't know the long term results yet.

Uh... lol.

The way tensions escalate isn't like a movie. We're much more alienated from Iran than we were before, as well as Iraq. Iraq already had a decent amount of Iranian influence but that killing was essentially the equivalent of handing Iraq to them on a silver platter.

As of the Iran deal... They've completely stopped complying and you won't see the real consequences for pulling out until Iran is a nuclear power... Which they will certainly be at this rate.

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How would you propose that we pull out of Northern Syria? Should we stay there until everyone is hunky dory with each other and singing Kumbaya in the name of Yahweh and Allah?

Uh let's see... Maybe not all at once when Turkey seems mounted to spew over the border unchecked? Are you ****ing serious?

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I know you instinctively support any measure that "removes troops" even if it just moved them to a different part of the middle east, but yea, that was a demonstrably stupid and/or murderous move and you should feel evil and/or stupid for supporting it.

ISIS has been growing on me.

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

The choice is something or nothing.

Yes I’d rather have the dem plan but the republicans have the power to put the breaks on wherever they want. I can’t eat a plan and neither can anyone else.

yes cause you have NO leverage on the president during a pandemic and economic free fall 2 months before his ****ing election....

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

ISIS has been growing on me.

That's irrelevant.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Just like NK was serious when they were firing off missiles. It's just saber rattling. Iran saw what happened to Iraq - and for all of Trump's faults, some of their leaders might actually believe that he'd be crazy enough to engage in some kind of war against them.

Probably. But ain’t nobody know the future.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

yes cause you have NO leverage on the president during a pandemic and economic free fall 2 months before his ****ing election....

Biden ain’t gonna give no one ****. Trump is erratic. That means he might.

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:33 PM

It's not a matter of they commit a 9/11

Iran are a rational and advanced military and nation

They will continue to ramp up proxy engagements, develope nuclear weapons, etc

Let's just hope we don't respond and turn that into an actual war. But the chances of us doing so are decent.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2020, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

That's irrelevant.

It informs my opinion if the Kurds haven’t been.

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:36 PM

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Biden ain’t gonna give no one ****. Trump is erratic. That means he might.

.... It's not erratic to start cutting checks during a time like this. Bush did it on a small scale and we weren't even in a crisis. It's 100% ideological and the fact the Republicans have built their brand on not offering more services cause they're deathly afraid we might get accustomed to being treated like humans.

~~jwb~~ · 08-15-2020, 08:38 PM

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It informs my opinion if the Kurds haven’t been.

it's just you trying to be edgy to defend a stupid take after you run out of arguments.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It's not a matter of they commit a 9/11 Iran are a rational and advanced military and nation They will continue to ramp up proxy engagements, develope nuclear weapons, etc Let's just hope we don't respond and turn that into an actual war. But the chances of us doing so are decent.