I am not sure about the 'maybe not as much as the UK' suggestion, especially not where I am from. If anything I would think it would be worse in Ireland as there are no black people there. Here there are a lot.

so i had my first computer science course today (it's whack af soo boring thx for asking) and i kept hearing these loud abrupt noises coming from across the class and quickly realized that somebody in the class obviously had tourettes.

so anyway i look over and see that directly across the classroom where the noise happens to be coming from sits a pretty nerdy looking white kid who i just assume must be the one.

like 15-20 minutes later i discover it's actually the middle eastern dude in a ralph lauren jacket sitting in front of him.

tl;dr i think i'm racist towards crackers or society as conditioned me to believe only dorks can have tourettes

Fair point. I don't live in the UK. But what I see on the telly does seem to point towards black people there getting more harassed than other races, but you're certainly in a better position to confirm or challenge that than I am. I think the point still stands though; along with the Jews, blacks appear to be one of longest-oppressed races, would that be fair?

Either way, when we think of prejudice and racism these days, other than muslims or Islamic countries, we tend to think I believe about black people. There aren't too many threads complaining about the treatment Asians, Kurds or any other race or ethnic group is receiving.

Maybe I'm just looking at it through a lens filtered by decades of watching the news and too many movies (Mississippi Burning!) but that's how it appears to me.

Also just because smaller things are happening doesn't mean the real issues arent being talked about. They aren't going to happen overnight so these smaller things are done in the mean time.

Exactly so I really don't get why you feel like you ade above the same people you are calling out. Also, it isn't just about protesting and voting. It is about having conversations with your white peers and calling them out on their bull**** that contributes to these systems overall.

Those two have more patience to deal with you. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to change their opinion. They are usually stuck in their ways and it doesnt matter what I say when trying to inform them. I just normally agree to disagree and keep it moving. Same thing happens when I get into discussions with Trump supporters.

Thanks for your input as a white man on the black experience and what they go through.

Nah, pretty sure it was the guy with the avatar of a screenshot of Pet_Sounds' Billy Joel avatar.

You're gonna wut? Position me? I'm down.

Oh yeah, right: JosefK.

That's it. I knew it was a "J" name but I kept thinking JustinJJustin, which I knew wasn't right.

Say what you want National Enquirer is a good read. Now buzz off.

Good = fun or informative?

If there is any group that would be getting harassed then that would more likely be Asians imo.

No, he became Violet
I just lost all respect for you. :(
Again, I'll bow to your firsthand experience.

Question for y'all on racist jokes: OK or not? How far is too far? I admit I find a lot of them hilarious.

I miss Josef K.

I don't see why a joke would not be OK.

It's 'too far' when it isn't a joke.

Missed this, gonna search for it now.

So this is it: http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/28...ml#post1523107

I'm guessing you 'had to be there'.

Case by case but the okayness will always be in your favour if you're actually funny and not just attempting to be edgy.

Whether it actually reflects racism is a case within cases by cases within cases type of thing.

I guess it wasn't as funny in retrospect, but it's funny to mention the defooted guy getting mad at a non-disabled-friendly Helen Keller quote.

I guess it depends on how genuinely funny it is. "Paddy Englishman, Paddy Irishman, Paddy Scotchman" jokes usually had a point and you kind of couldn't take offence. Also, the other two who weren't the butt of the joke usually got ribbed too. I never considered them particularly racist, though of course they were. Jokes about black people are probably less nuanced, though I admit I haven't heard a joke I would call really racist in some time. As Frown says, case by case I guess. And it also depends on whether or not it's your race being joked about.

The important question I would ask about jokes seen as racist is: are they used just to be racist or are they used to make a funny (depending on your standpoint of course) point? I mean, nobody ever wants to hear from Bernard Manning again, do they? :yikes:

Paddy and Murphy are traveling to Australia. Before they leave home, one of their dads gives them both a bit of advice: "You watch them Aussie cab drivers. They'll rob you blind. Don't you go paying them what they ask. You haggle."

At the Sydney airport, the pair catch a cab to their hotel. When they reach their destination, the cabbie says, "That'll be twenty dollars, lads."

"Oh no you don't! My dad warned me about you. You'll only be getting fifteen dollars from me," says Paddy.
"And you'll only be getting fifteen from me too!" adds Murphy.

I used to know ****ing loads of Englishman, Scotsman & Irishman jokes.

lulz

****ing classic. :laughing:

Texan walks into an Irish pub, says "Thought you guys had big mountains here? Bah! Why, back home I could stand at the top of one of our mountains and yell MURPHY! and the echo would come back MURPHY MURPHY MURPHy MURPhy MUrphy..."

"Hah! Sure that's nothin'!" says Paddy. "Round here, I can stand at the top of that mountain there and yell MURPHY! And the echo will come back: WHICH MURPHY DO YE WANT???" :laughing:

Paddy is hitch-hiking home, big car pulls up, Merc. Paddy gets in, all wonder. The driver realises he's got a thick gombeen Irishman here and decides to have some fun when Paddy asks about the Mercedes logo on the front. "What's that for?" he asks. Driver says "That, my friend, is a sight. Ye see this guy on the bike here in front? Well now, I just line up the sight, gun the accelerator and ..."
And he roars up to the frightened cyclist, but at the last moment swerves away, laughing. Turning back, he says to Paddy "Close one there! Nearly had him!"
Paddy leans back nonchalantly in the back seat, a grin on his face.
"Sure, no problem boy!" he beams. "Sure didn't I get him with the back door as we went by?"

Much like racism itself, one needs to consider the power dynamic.

If the group being made fun of has social, economic, and political power than I would say it's generally OK.

Man like Monkey's joke is pretty great. Western Europeans (well, not the Irish) have been running the world for the last 300 years or so, so poking fun at their foibles won't earn you much SJW backlash.

For the record, I'm all for anyone telling any joke they want. I might not say it but I'll probably laugh if it's clever or subversively shocking (Kramer's shouting of the n-word failed on both counts, hence his rightful excommunication from the entertainment industry). It's pretty tough to tell a good 'race-based' joke imo.

I prefer terrible puns.

What's Harry Potter's favorite way to get down a hill?



Walking.









Jk, rolling.

**** you but lol

TH do you know many anti Brit jokes? I saw a map of Europe a while ago, showing the countries that each nation joked about the most.

http://i.imgur.com/FfLn56B.jpg

I particularly like Germany v. Poland and Greece v. Turkey

Not really. Us Irish prefer slagging each other off. When I was growing up it was stupid Kerryman jokes, like
"How do you keep a Kerryman entertained? Give him a piece of paper with PTO written on both sides" or "How do you keep a Kerryman in suspense? Tell you later." Stuff like that. We Dubs were very superior in our attitude to those "outside the Pale". In a humorous way of course.

OK I detect an air of superiority from you, but not so much the humour. Perhaps you fully transitioned from Dub humour to Dad jokery?

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I really don't care what you detect. You need to be Irish to understand. We're "The Big Smoke", all others are "culchies" and "bogjumpers" and so forth. Yeah.

I see Russia is covered in fuschia, which of course if the colour of the Kerplakistan flag.

I think it's a north/south thing.

You really gotta hate each other to hate that locally.

Sicily was toying the idea of joining the United States after WWII just to avoid becoming a part of Italy.

It's not a coincidence that southerners are darker though.

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So it's okay to make **** up to fight for when you get bored?

I'm calling out people that don't give a ****. The people that start **** over things that literally don't matter for the sake of feeling good about themselves. That might seem ironic, but I assure you this is more important than you think it is. There are plenty of times where SJWs start **** and harass innocent people because it makes them feel like activists when they are really just being *******s. Like I've already said though, I'm not saying it's ALL SJWs that do it. I'm not even saying it's YOU that does it even though you are taking it personally as if I'm attacking you. I'm saying that just as there is a significant amount of racist nazi scum at every trump rally, there is a significant amount of uneducated meth heads at every juggalo event, there is a significant amount of arrogant frauds in every SJW group that starts **** to feel like a 'hero' when they don't really care.

And if you didn't care to persuade me then why the hell did you ****ing try to in the first place? Please, dude, I honestly respect you and like you cause you don't treat me like an ******* all the time, but quit saying this fake ass bull**** that we both know is fake. You're not going around calling anybody attack helicopter and you were trying to persuade me. I can understand, yeah, lots of people are just brick walls and say the kind of **** I was saying just to stir **** up but I wasn't just trying to stir **** up. As somebody who actually leans far more liberal than conservative that's honestly how I felt and it seems like dialogue in that vein from both sides ends up being more closed minded and hostile than open to trying to understand other views. Even though I was trying to understand better, I feel like nobody gave a **** about understanding me. How can you get me to see things from your view when you refuse to see things from my view? If you understand it's easier to persuade but you're not going to try if you don't actually care about persuading and all you care about is going into attack mode to feel or look like the good guy. And now you see why I have a problem with the people that don't give a **** and use this as a platform for their reputation?

Nope that's not what I'm saying. I'm referring to examples you made earlier to certain statues and holiday changes.

Yes, I get that there are some SJWs that are extreme *******s and I agree with most of what you said there but I honestly dont get that part at the end where you feel like you can tell they are only doing for some kind of hero complex but don't really care. It's like you are trying to be a mind reader and saying they don't really care based off of some arbitrary criteria that you come up with. Also, I don't feel like you were attacking me until you mentioned me specifically about the gender conversation.

I wasn't persuading but trying to give you some information about it to help you better understand but obviously the two ladies did a better job. Also you are still caught up on that attack helicopter joke? Most people that are on the anti PC side don't really care about being educated and getting more info. They just stick to their opinion and toss off slippery slope examples that make completely no sense. It is the same like when people that are against same sex marriage saying whats next being able to marry your dog? They just minimize people's experience because they don't understand it and don't want to understand it. You definitely came off like one of those types when you first started the gender conversation. Being super defensive of your way of thinking and not being open to the other side much.

Tell me why a statue or a holiday change means anything that isn't superficial.

You can tell. By their actions. I pointed it out. They are the ones to talk the most **** and rally behind fake causes. It's all for ego. It's all for perception. That's not mind reading that's just common sense. It's obvious. Something we both know people do in every culture. Act fake as ****. Kind of weird that I don't remember you saying any of this in my record yourself giving to the less fortunate thread.

You weren't trying to persuade me, but were trying to give me information to better understand? I'm sorry, I must have been full of ****. You were not trying to persuade me, you were just giving information so I'd better understand. Cause that in no way is persuading. But the ironic thing about that is, you literally gave me zero information. If I remember right, you told me just to identify people as what they want because it's rude not to. That is not giving me information, it's not meant to help me understand, it's trying to tell me, or persuade me, to do something. And you don't see the irony in saying that the others don't care about understanding things and try to minimize people's experience? As people actively try to minimize my experience with out giving a damn about understanding me when I say ejaculating in somebody's mouth during consensual sex is not rape? Or that I have a hard time identifying somebody's gender if it contradicts their sex? Or that I think racism towards whites matters just as much as racism towards minorities? Or that race relations and problems vary in different locations? There are various things that I get completely dismissed or heckled for saying with out anybody caring to understand or hear me out. Like Bulbasaur telling me I'm just trying to play victim and just want attention or something when I speak my mind. Or elph going off and saying that reverse racism is something made up by whiny white dudes. Or you saying I'm just looking for reasons to complain about liberals. Trying to invalidate what I have to say because it contradicts what you believe. So it's not just anti PC people that do it. And if you really think somebody is a lost cause or complete brick wall, then you're better off not interacting with them at all. The reason I typically try to avoid these threads personally. I'm obviously not good at that though.

Edit: Despite calling specific people out, I do have to say that at least these discussions are a lot more civil here than they are on my main forum. It's devolved to death threats, thread spamming and personal insults on almost every other thread.