i definitely can say fundamentalists are wrong for lacking the ability to critically think and read between the lines.

i defend their belief as i would anybody elses within reason. i know in 2017 it's cool to only focus on the negative aspects of religions and not the positive affect it has on many peoples lives but the reality of it is there are plenty of good aspects of it. i'm not saying they outweigh the bad, historically they definitely don't.

the issue is like i mentioned, rather than take these things into account most people do exactly what you're doing right now and attack the lowest common denominator like fundamentalists rather than acknowledge there are millions of people who see christianity as simply a guideline to live their life by. be kind, respect thy neighbour, and give thanks.

yeah, some of us are able to do that on our own. but for those who can't, im glad there is something around to restore purpose to their life.

I also attacked moderates for being wishy washy. I'll also attack them for indoctrinating children, producing a cultural climate that allows religious extremism to be more viable than if there were no religion, and shutting down logical discussions about religion on a public scale cause we don't want to be mean to them.

On the other hand I'm fine with many of the social aspects of religion, such as a sense of community, or being encouraged to contribute to charities and do community service, both of which atheism generally doesn't do unless you get goofy, pseudo-religions like secular humanism that are half-baked attempts to have their cake and eat it to (and they don't even really get to eat it tbh).

But that doesn't stop the whole thing from being idiotic.

Because, from what I understand, Satanists typically don't actually believe in the supernatural.

So that makes them atheists then.

Yeah.

#notallsatanists

And then you get to the part of the Satanic bible where they start discussing magick rituals. You need a goblet of wine but a coffee mug of whiskey will work too. The best way to fight malicious magick is with a closed mind. **** is down right silly.

Given your username I would have thought this would have been right in your wheelhouse.
Oh Dark One.

The Three Types of Satanism
the left hand
the right hand
the adversarial satanic simpleton aka ass
The third group (the ass) is dragging down satanism.



Atheistic vs theistic satanism
by Zachary King (a member of the World Church of Satan who converted to Christianity)

#nolivesmatter

Nope. The devil has always represented something I can identify with. My perspective differs from others and my admiration mirrors the kind of admiration Batlord has for Batman or Deadpool or who ever the hell he identifies with from his fictional stories.

Really, the thing that made the devil the symbol of evil or the nemesis in Christianity is because he questioned and went against god. That is considered more foul than all of the most heartbreaking atrocities we can think of. This book wasn't written to teach you morals or give you a true sense of purpose or comfort you with the idea of afterlife. It was meant to keep you obedient. A trend you can see through all religions. It's training your brain to put faith in your government. To not question it when it acts up. And to hate those that question it or seem to stand against it. Is it coincidence that most radical political regimes are ultra religious? Or that the people that care more about 'respecting' a flag than the systematic murder of minorities or needless wars with thousands of unnecessary casualties are usually Christian? I don't think so.

And you think a moral God would openly condemn bigotry, rape and pedophilia. Nope. These are all morals we have developed as human beings that realize that wrong is what causes harm and vice versa. These ****ty excuses are wearing thin. If somebody needs religion for morals they are stupid. If somebody needs it for comfort they are a coward. If somebody needs it to feel significant they are lazy. I never even got that anyways. How does the idea of God make anybody feel important? Cause ultimately there is no reason for a god to exist or this relationship between man and god. I can't milk a purpose from it that's any different from what I'd just make up on my own so why not stop over complicating things and make your own purpose anyways? We really need to start ripping the band aide off and start confronting the meaningless of life head on so humanity can evolve past it's inevitable plague of severe depression into what ever brilliance comes after that.

First, obviously I was joking about the name. Duh.

Second, excellent posts and very well written.

I will mention that (though I'm not a Christian I have respect for Jesus, if he existed and was the person written about in the Bible) there are examples of tolerance in the Bible, mostly when JC was alive. What about the way he stopped the crowd stoning Mary Magdalene? That always impressed me (although you just KNOW there had to be some ****er in the crowd at the back who would throw a stone anyway, and once it started....) as well as his love for children. Sure there are horrible things in the Bible but mostly this is our own fault for misinterpreting or fitting the lessons here to what we want them to say.

Let's not forget that the principle message Jesus preached was not hate but love, even if this ended up getting lost once he was gone. As for why people believe in a god, well I feel it's weakness and a refusal to take responsibility for their actions. Much easier to say "God made me do it/ I did it in God's name" or "The crops failed because God is angry that we have gay people in our village" or whatever, than to look at the root causes, be they external or internal.

tealdear: I'm with you, but there is definitely some good in Christianity if you look for it, and I can understand why some people feel they need a higher power to blame when things go wrong or to make sense of things that often don't make sense.

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Religion should be followed if god exists? I mean if he's gonna damn me to eternal torment for not worshipping him then I'll suck it up and suck him off, but otherwise I'll worship him as much as any other person. Worshipping deities is such a dated concept, regardless of their existence or lack thereof. I'd like to think any god worth worshipping wouldn't want it.

Like Crom.

Despite the objective truth that contradicts what the bible claims with no evidence.


If God were real, I'd not follow. I think God is the most immoral and despicable thing to exist in Christianity.

I'm intrigued. I know it can't be, but for the sake of argument say God's existence could be empirically proven, no doubt whatever: Heaven is real, so is Hell, and if you lead a good life and follow God's teachings you are guaranteed to go to Heaven. Would you still refuse to worship God on the basis of your principles? I'm just wondering: it's easy to say you don't believe in something the existence of which can't be proven, but if it could be, would that change your opinion and your stance?

I think you just throw a "sup bro, you exist" god's way to get into heaven. Unless you're a Catholic, then you have to do all sorts of archaic **** to join the club.

Yeah, you have to be on the list or you don't get in. Saint Peter is a pedantic bastard and you won't slip past him.

Pretty sure that's a Cathy restriction.

Probably. We are the uptight arseholes of Christianity.

You're Catholic?

Meh, I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, so I guess for censuses and things I declare my religion as that. I certainly don't practice though, except if I like burn myself or something I'll go "Jesus Christ!" Usually with a few ****ings thrown in though. But yeah: Karen is a total RC; most of ROI is.

I don't know how things work in Ireland, but in America we are allowed to change our religion on a whim.

I honestly don't know how that would work here. I've never tried. I'm not interested in getting into a new religion anyway. Though we do, or did, have the Jehovahs calling from time to time; they try to convert you, but how that works I neither know nor care. I feel that if I were to change my religion my family would not be happy about it. Hmm. Satanism, eh? ;)

That's fair I guess. I lead my family on because (1) I don't want to be privy to conversion efforts and (2) I don't want them to waste time worrying about me spending an eternity in hell .

I don't see how you can joke around about Satan or Satanism.

Then you need to get glasses. It's right there: everyone else can see it.

SMH Lame. I didn't say I don't see you joke about Satan. I said 'I don't see how ...' meaning I do no understand how or why you would do so. There is a subtle/not so subtle difference between the two, like just saying flat out "I don't see ..." and "I don't see how ..." It's all about the nuance in how you speak English.

English, it's a beautiful language brought to you by beautiful people.

And why is that?

Satanism basically is a joke so it's easy.

As for my stance, yes if he were proven real I'd live my life based on what I thought was good. Or try my best. And I would stand firmly against a biblical God.

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I've seen photographs, you can't just hope things away, goddammit Mord.

Ireland makes you tell what your religion is? I hear they did that once in England and it resulted in the government having to recognize Jedi as a religion.

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ftfy
And you said "I don't see how" and I showed you how. Learn to English. :laughing:
It's a question on the census. And yes, it's a legal requirement; there are stiff penalties if you don't fill out the census form, and fill it out completely. Best thing is, whatever about Jedi, another thing had to be recognised as a religion: HEAVY METAL! :band:
So can video.

I know, these are hard pills to swallow, Mord, but you can do it. Lady Gaga is real. God is not. If it makes you feel any better I got easier truths to take in. Will Smith is real. Satan is not. Now don't you feel better?

Lady GaGa is fake as ****.