Luckily that doesn't include much of the South so it's closer than you'd think.

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You forget about Theistic satanists.

Those guys are idiots. They believe Angels are an alien race that put the bible on here to control us and Demons are a different alien race trying to help us evolve to the god level that both are on.

To be honest, this makes more sense than most belief systems.

sounds pretty good to me

No, aliens is just as lazy of an excuse for the unknown as god is. Kind of sick of them being the go to explanation for psuedo scientists when ever there is a mystery and people thinking it isn't stupid because aliens are more plausible than the supernatural. People need to learn to say "I don't know" instead of making **** up.

Calling such beings "angels" or "demons" sounds more like a cop-out than calling them "extraterrestrials" or "aliens." At least the latter is putting some thought into their origin, not just chalking them up to being magical sky deities.

Sounds like the premise for a new Fox drama!

Please tell us about how you were abducted by aliens. I will be laughing at you, but it will be good-natured mockery.

batlord's just jealous

Even aliens don't want him.

Aliens love Myanus.

Your ad hominem bullshit aside, the idea of angels, demons and religious deities being extraterrestrial aliens makes perfect sense. They came to this planet and were worshiped as "gods" only because the beings on this planet didn't know any better.

It closes the argument of them being some sort of supernatural phenoms and provides a more unified theory of the universe.

You can side-step poop, but even if you don't step in it still smells, and it still looks pretty gross looking too. (I'm just extending you poop metaphor for Batty.)

Angels and demons in the Judeo-Christian tradition are strictly paranatural beings. They are purely spiritual beings. They are not made of matter from this universe. They are not higher dimensions beings that evolved in another dimension that can cross over into this dimension or universe, whatever the case may be.

There may be very rare occasions where they are be able to manifest themselves in an apparition, but that does not mean that is their actual form. What you see is some kind of a vision, not their actual essence.

I don't subscribe to the Judeo-Christian tradition. I used to be a Bible thumper, but that was when I was an ignorant teenager. My current beliefs align most accurately with Panendeism. I also like Taosim very much.

I don't like the idea of "supernatural" things. I believe that many such things exist, but that we aren't yet advanced enough to understand them in a proper scientific manner.

[And yes, I apologize for all of the Bible bullshit that I espoused on here back in the day. If I could take it back, I would. I was raised as a strict Pentecostal Christian from birth. It was a very narrow-minded upbringing.]

You completely, ironically, and hilariously missed my point and lived out being one of the people I described.

Yes, it's a more plausible and seemingly more satisfying answer in this modern age. But it's still not based in any bit of logic and is just as lazy as making up supernatural creatures. It's not any less of a cop-out. It's just as much of a cop-out. You just like it more because it pretends to be rooted in science. It's not.

I believe that there have been numerous highly advanced civilizations that have existed on this planet in the past [Atlantis, Mu, Agartha, Shambhala, Dwarka, etc.] Perhaps their origins were seeded from extraterrestrial places, perhaps not [we all came from somewhere different if we go back far enough and extrapolate, but no need to argue semantics]. But they existed, regardless of their origins. They were seen as gods by less evolved species. Elements of history can be studied and classified. You can laugh, but to say that's "not rooted in science," like that's some sort of badge of honor on your part, is just dismissive and wrong. Historical lineage, if it can be proven and recorded, is a far better way of classifying things than just summating them as a magical sky people. That's what I was getting at. It's the INTENTION that counts. Calling them ET's, advanced beings, etc. at least ATTEMPTS to integrate them into the framework of our knowledge base, while saying that they are "supernatural" [i.e. cannot be defined by science] seems more like a cop-out because it doesn't attempt to progress anything.

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Nope. Because essentially here where you have some mysterious things that you can't explain you insert aliens into the equation. Like the pyramids. Or those giant stone balls every where. There are tons of things ancient human civilizations have made that completely baffles us in meaning and how they were made, so lazily aliens are inserted into those knowledge gaps as some cosmic super force that we just can't explain the same way the supernatural is. It's not scientific because there is no data or facts to support the theory. It's just "holy ****, I don't have any clue what the hell this is or why it's here, it must be aliens". Instead, people should just flat out admit they have no ****ing clue. That fact that we have so many mythological beings portrayed in history is not proof of gods or even an alien presence. If anything it's proof of humanities ability to make **** up.


Mord, name one thing that is true and is not found to be true based on scientific method. You sound like you are somebody who is ignorant of what science is. Probably because your religious background tells you science can't answer everything to keep you indoctrinated into something selling you answers with no logic or reasoning behind it. And don't use an example of something that is true but can't be explained. That's the arrogance of these types of minds. Where science says, "I don't know yet" you guys say, "see, they don't have all the answers" then insert your agenda into these knowledge gaps that are slowly getting smaller and smaller as scientific minds answer these questions through rigorous testing. Science isn't just "this is just what the facts are now accept it" like your bible. It's "here is what we think and here is the plethora of evidence that heavily supports this, but we could still be wrong". While yes, the science world has been filled with the same closed minded arrogance it takes to say you not only know god exists but you know what it is, those people are eventually weeded out and pushed aside from science's progressive trail. I think one thing you will never want to admit to yourself is that theism and religion is science. It is a failed attempt at science. It's somebody observing things and coming up with an answer to things we didn't know. There just isn't any scientific method used to back those claims the same way there is no scientific methods to back the claims of ancient aliens.

Well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Acknowledging other lifeforms that have evolved and figuring out how they relate to us and what their place is in the universe and how they have contributed to it is hardly throwing up one's hands in defeat and relegating it to some indiscriminate category like you are insinuating.


THAT would be a cop-out. So again, we'll just agree to disagree.

Reminds me of when me and my friend as kids would lose at a video game, curse at it, and then apologize and try to placate the video game, as inevitably we would lose even worse after berating the game since now we're mad and making mistakes. It was silly nonsense, but it was still almost second nature to see agency in something clearly inanimate and try to exert some measure of control with rituals. So yes, "it never has felt natural to believe in only natural things", but not because of any deeper truth hidden within the soul of humanity. We're just retarded by now obsolete evolution.

Acknowledging the likely hood and profound amount of evidence that supports the idea that we can't be alone in the universe is not the same as inserting aliens to fill knowledge gaps about our own history.

Saying you don't know is not a cop out. It's truth. It's the first step to the path of 'well let's find out' where as inserting aliens or gods into it is a cop out that stops you from having to do the work of discovering the truth because you already have an answer.

When the evidence that you speak of supports the notion of "aliens" being the ones who filled those gaps, then it actually IS the same thing.


I'm already passed the "I don't know, let's find out" stage, as is anyone who goes forth to posit any ideas about anything, which is what I'm doing. I wasn't born with the idea of advanced being or ET's fitting into our history . . .

Giant mysterious stone balls that we don't understand are not evidence of aliens, you're doing the same thing they do. Make **** up to explain something we don't understand then using the fact that we don't understand this thing as some kind of half assed evidence to support that aliens are behind that something we don't understand. When you think about the 'logic' behind it you realize just how retarded it sounds.

Like, I got this piece of paper and you don't know where it came from. So I tell you that my girl friend Vanessa Hudgens gave it to me. You tell me I need to prove that Vanessa Hudgens gave it to me and is my GF so I say, "If she wasn't my GF then where did this piece of paper come from?" And I can provide photos and videos and documentation of her existence.

I never once mentioned a word about stone balls. You did, and then proceeded to continue on this tangent about them which has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand. You are coming at this like there is no proof of ancient civilizations having contact with advanced races. Look at the writings of the Hindu vedas and the ancient sumerians. Even the Bible. All over the planet, ancient civilizations interacted with advanced beings that came from the skies. And you and I are sitting here arguing over whether it's better to call them "aliens" or "gods," like it's some fucking dick measuring contest and chastising the other for not thinking alike.

Makes you wonder why the aliens stopped. What did those ancient bastards do to them?

Their research grant for studying humans ran out, I guess.

Maybe the advanced beings went underground and left the upper crust to us?

Or maybe, we're actually underground and they've convinced us that the crust is the sky. ****in advanced species.

Mmmmmm! Sky crust!
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No. We're arguing over the validity of deeming things we don't know as 'gods' or 'aliens' you said the things I already mentioned are evidence of aliens. Meaning stone balls, pyramids, etc. The bible nor anything you mentioned is not evidence of aliens. You just don't want to accept that perhaps. I wonder if we get wiped out some dumb ass is going to say that Harry Potter is proof of aliens because it depicts humans interacting with strange beings. I don't know. Some dumb ass might be doing that now.

*likelihood

"Who shot ya?"

"I don't know, but I know the likely hood."

Fuck you, Bat. I acknowledge the likely hood.

Shut up.

Another example: "What is the likelihood that Batty is a Grammar Nazi?"

Lee likes your hood.