Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2096285)

Atheists on the internet were more left than not back in the day but we didn't really care about making any statements cause we didn't matter and nobody was looking at us for any statements (I say this as an atheist forum guy back in the early 00s). Then around the late 00s forums in general were starting to die and people were moving on to Facebook and whatnot cause after a decade of atheists bitching about theism it just wasn't interesting anymore to have the same arguments about the same thing that never went anywhere but there was this group of atheist Youtubers who'd popped up just as forums and atheist discussion was climaxing and then starting to die and they needed something else to bring in viewers and their viewers were young 20 something white guys who were used to thinking about smart guy things in terms of perfect logic that disproved anything that couldn't be proved by hard science.

And so the atheist Youtubers picked apart a few goofy feminist videos that had appeared at the time and the snowball went crazy. I even remember in the late 00s being on a dying atheist forum and some guy who'd been away for years coming back and trying to sell us on Atheism+ supporting atheism and civil rights as one thing cause there was this supposed trend of reactionary atheism that was against feminism and whatnot and we were just kind of "What are you talking about, atheists love feminism and black people, but atheism also has nothing to do with civil rights cause duh" and now I'm just like, whoa. He was right.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2096288)

When in Rome.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2096287)

Yeah, but it's not like they actually believe in it or worship it or go on massive genocides in the name of it. Now that'd be ridiculous. Could you imagine trying to dictate other people's lives on some imaginary thing you just made up?

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2096291)

Thanks jwb, I liked your comment.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096289)

the atheism+ **** is actually part of what set thunderfoot and them off iirc. Actually a lot of it had to do with that broad who made the complaint about some guy hitting on her in an elevator at an atheist convention.. Then Dawkins weighed in etc

Before that **** thunder foot was making dumb videos mocking creationists. Dunno about Sargon as I never really saw his videos.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096292)

No ****.

I said the idea if anyone finding that analogy clever is ridiculous, not the entity itself

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2096295)

The atheism+ stuff happened in reaction to atheists going right wing as far as I know. I mean I'm talking about my own experience as an atheist forum guy and I clearly remember an atheism+ person talking to us about how there was a right wing movement in atheism that was polluting atheism. And this was around 2011-2012 when nothing was really set in stone. And then a couple years later I remember checking out the Armored Atheist who was just about pwning theists and then a year later the only videos he was posting were anti-feminist videos and I was just like WHOA WUT HAPPENED HERE?!

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2096296)

Yeah, I'm just comparing ridiculousness levels here.

I'll let you continue crying over it now.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2096298)

an easy way to track this is when did elevator gate happen

Cause I remember the same period and got the opposite impression

I would watch thunderfoot and his videos on creationism from time to time but then after elevator gate and atheism+ he quickly switched to feminism. I thought the feminism issue was boring so I stopped following him. This was before I even met sansa or really properly knew wtf feminism was.