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View Poll Results: Well?
Yes 3 14.29%
No, never 4 19.05%
Maybe, under certain circumstances 8 38.10%
Undecided 0 0%
Only if the ban was requested 1 4.76%
Just JWB and Sansa 2 9.52%
Anal Beads 3 14.29%
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Old 06-22-2018, 05:41 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Old 06-22-2018, 06:03 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Have either of these two people spoken to you, Ori, or anyone, and expressed
a) a desire to come back
b) a willingness to change and
c) a promise to respect the rules?
Yes, Sansa express to me the desire to come back to Music Banter. This exchange transpire in plug.dj. I did not notify any moderators on the forum via "Private Message" however I did bring her expressed request to the illustrious moderator Goofle. He expressed his opinion, which I will not elaborate here in this thread.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:38 PM   #153 (permalink)
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^ ...which makes this a pretty sad thread, re-analysing bans that even the banned no longer care about.
Sansa and JWB have both expressed a desire to come back pretty often. JWB even wanted to post a short story of his in the Horror Writing Competition last year, but couldn't.

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And that would be one result of allowing pardons on permabans: every permabanned member would have some parole-board thread-starter opening a re-appraisal rabbit hole for us to disappear down.
Please don't use the Slippery Slope Logical Fallacy. It's like the defining fallacy of old dudes. "My word! If we let one of them into the country club, we'll have to let everyone in! My monocle just couldn't handle such tomfoolery!"

Consider this: during this whole convo about bringing people back, of all the people who have ever been banned in MB history, only two members were still given a fuck about by at least a few people in the community.

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I agree with TH, Janz and Yac; everyone permabanned received fair warning and permaban says what it is -it's not a temporary ban like all the others are.
Yes, that is indeed what the type of ban is intended for. Kind of like how the rules of MB are intended to keep the community happy and reasonable. But we all bend the rules all the time in the circumstances when they do more needless harm to the community than good.

Hawk and Chula have both come close to perma-bans. And Batty actually went all-city. But each of them also contribute positively to the community.

It actually is possible for a ban to do more harm than good in the long run. Therefore, all bans, including ones intended by the mods to be permanent, should be scrutinized by the community. Keeping a ban active just because "It's called a permanent ban, so it should be permanent!" is silly. The name of it doesn't matter. The intent of it doesn't matter. It's the benefit of it to the community that matters, and should be discussed.

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What do you suggest Ori? A new category of ban between temporary and permanent? How about the "Look, this time I really really mean it" ban?
This really isn't that hard to understand. Keep calling them permanent bans, since that's what they're primarily for, and what they'll end up being 99% of the time. But if people actively miss certain members even over a year later, and those members have matured and expressed an interest in one last shot, are you really going to keep them out just because you don't want to think about whether or not a ban is actually benefiting the community?
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:43 PM   #154 (permalink)
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I’ve only done one week in the pokey

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Old 06-22-2018, 08:47 PM   #155 (permalink)
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I’ve only done one week in the pokey

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You're lucky that tirade you threw at Chula shitting on his whole life didn't get you banned. A few years ago, it would've, and we would've been permanently deprived of your musical acumen and superior bants. And honestly, **** an MB that doesn't have the Hawk.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:52 PM   #156 (permalink)
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I’ve only done one week in the pokey

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Usually when people write "Help me" in their own feces, usually the mods take your ban a bit more lightly. That, and the ban hammer smells like **** now.
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Idk, probably not.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:00 PM   #158 (permalink)
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Frownland: Boundaries suck. All noises are music. Silence is music. People should open their minds to having their political and religious views assessed and challenged. Challenge everything.

Oh yeah, and perma-bans are above scrutiny, 'cause they're called perma-bans, lol.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:02 PM   #159 (permalink)
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*permabans the same member on repeat for weeks, briefly calls it ban of the year, then gets a bit tired of it*
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:05 PM   #160 (permalink)
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*brings back the only two members people want back, maybe re-bans one for a few more years after they say something naughty, oh god so much work so hard*
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