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Fair enough.

Wouldn't pretty much anyone taking the SATs "try their best"?

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2073993)

listen... I'm being serious... If I'm going to continue to respond to you I want you to think about this seriously, cause this is getting tiresome.

You didn't say explicitly that low IQ people are more suceptable to bribe type motivation than high IQ people. This assumption is just inherent in your
argument.

No, it actually isn't. That's just the conclusion you pulled.

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If they are equally suceptable to bribes, then everyone's performance would improve if bribes were given across the board.

No, because not everybody is susceptible to the same reward which is the basis of my argument. That doesn't mean low IQ people are more susceptible to bribes than high IQ people. It means that it will have varying effects on how much it motivates people to score higher regardless of the previous IQ scores.

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Since IQ is based on the average score, everyone's performance would go up but the scores would stay the same.

I'm confused on what you mean by this and why you come to that conclusion.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2073996)

Fair enough.

Wouldn't pretty much anyone taking the SATs "try their best"?

No.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2073997)

No, it actually isn't. That's just the conclusion you pulled.

No, because not everybody is susceptible to the same reward which is the basis of my argument. That doesn't mean low IQ people are more susceptible to bribes than high IQ people. It means that it will have varying effects on how much it motivates people to score higher regardless of the previous IQ scores.

I'm confused on what you mean by this and why you come to that conclusion.

Sigh.

You contradicted the first part of your post with the second part. I'm quickly losing patience with you.

As for the third part, if you don't understand that you just don't understand what IQ tests measure. The scores are based on the average score of the population. As such, 100 is always the average.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2073999)

I haven't even taken the SAT yet

I imagine with that, if you're not going to try why would you even take it tbh

depends on if it's normal for students to be forced to take it in some places and I'm just not aware?

This should be an obvious no. Most people would try. To take it in the first place is some form of effort. Their best? I don't even know if most would try their best. Can't assume everybody has the same goals and motivation. People think differently for a lot of different reasons.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2074002)

theoretically if everyone who wasn't previously motivated were bribed into scoring high their score wouldn't change much because it would average out

but that's also not really relevant to the question of whether intrinsic motivation creates an artificially higher discrepancy in scores

The more I think about this the less it actually means to me..

If you have the capacity to learn calculus but never do... That's not as good as actually learning calculus.

Did I say 112

I meant 120

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2074000)

Sigh.

You contradicted the first part of your post with the second part. I'm quickly losing patience with you.

I actually didn't contradict anything.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2074003)

The more I think about this the less it actually means to me..

If you have the capacity to learn calculus but never do... That's not as good as actually learning calculus.

But that doesn't mean you don't have the ability to learn calculus.

Edit: Which is why it'd be considered a dubious measurement of intelligence.

Btw Amish Coolio lacks the ability to learn how to not be a jugallo [homophobic slur]