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Like voting pragmatically doesn't make a difference not because pragmatism doesn't work but because no matter who you are or how you vote, your vote individually doesn't really make a difference. Quote:
Its just a way to pat yourself on the back for having the right take. Utterly useless. |
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I have some morals but they're looser than most people's I support pragmatism not as an alternative to morality but as a supplement. Results matter. That's the bottom line. Good intentions are nice but not worth jack **** without good results. |
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She's part of an entrenched political crime family that inherited her bid for prez and then half assedly tried to sell it as an underdog story of female empowerment. What's not to get? We didn't like her in 08, we didn't like her in 16, and we don't like her now. |
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The Vatican covering up for pedo priests is also "optics" You're saying as long as you're only doing it for personal gain that removes your moral culpability??? |
Nah people were fired cause of what the leaks revealed
I'm not talking about their cyber security people who are responsible for preventing leaks. I'm talking about people who's misconduct was captured by said leaks. |
Bill Clinton was charismatic.
Obama was charismatic. He's also a black man which was a more far fetched option for prez than a white woman in 08. Yet he beat her. Despite her shamelessly starting the rumor he was born in Kenya or whatever. Charisma. Hilary is a ****ing robot. She's transparently fake. And clearly corrupt. She's penetration with no foreplay. But don't you wanna see a WOMAN president????, |
@jwb I think it's bad faith to pretend that her being a woman plays no role (if you're even implying that), it's probably a big part of why she's deemed 'unlikeable', even of why she's not charismatic.
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Her being a woman makes some people not like her, true Guess what? That's a double edged sword. Her being a woman is literally the only thing she had to offer from a progressive pov. That's why it was central to her campaign. Because there's nothing to actually get excited about policy wise. It's just purely the symbolic aspect of having a woman prez. So it's not clear that being a woman hurt her more than it helped her. Besides her gender and her association with Bill, there's nothing that differentiates her from a typical career politician like Biden. She might not even have gotten the nomination without that angle. As for her being a woman makes her unlikable... Once again complete cop out. AOC is very likable and down to earth. Hilary is stiff, robotic, disingenuous. She panders the way all politicians do but she can't pull it off. You can see right through the facade. See: her phoney black folk accent she adopted when talking to a black crowd. Utterly cringe. Or her comment about keeping a bottle of hot sauce in her purse lmao. You guys can sit here and say I would like her if she wasn't a woman all day long but you're projecting. You wouldn't be defending her if she was a man. |
What exactly was so progressive about it? It seemed like a marginal improvement on Obama and that's the campaign platform not what she would've actually done when in office. Plus this was after 8 years of Obama which puts her at an inherent disadvantage. Especially with the amount of discontent in the country at the time and the rise of a candidate on the other side promising something different.
But yeah most people don't vote on policy strictly. They need to like their candidate. She's hard to like. |
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