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SGR 05-30-2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2174948)
I mean yeah sure. I wouldn't be as hot and bothered about her calling me a limp dick queer and spitting in my face while I nutted in her though.

Ok. I'm glad to know this info. Thanks for being forthcumming.

TheBig3 05-31-2021 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2174897)
That's another good quote!



You make some good rational arguments - and that may be their weakness. Will Republican voters be thinking about previous presidential terms, about Obamacare? Even Biden's success with covid might be either a fading memory or remembered with resentment as an example of Holocaust-style Dem repression, as MT Greene is now re-casting it.

I guess we can only wait and see which voters are inspired by reality-based analysis as you lay it out, and which voters are going to vote against those space-laser pedophiles at any cost.
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A question I haven't seen debated anywhere yet: Supposing, with so many investigations into Trump going on, he's in court or under house arrest when the next elections come round? How will the GOP party and voters react to that circumstance?

If Trump isn't found, on tape, saying something atrocious, then any prosecution will animate his base. But as I say, I don't know that it will matter. The GOP is constantly throwing out it's own - not a real republican, RINO, not a Trump supporter. The more the litmus test throws people out, the remaining crowd is not only smaller, but says more alienating stuff.

They weren't found to have a compelling argument in 2012, the lost the majority in 2016, and they lost so badly in 2020 that traditionally red states switched. The trends don't lie. And the GOP is giving up anyone who has the mental capacity to write legislation.

Newsmax is a death sentence for the Right. As is the Facebook algorithm. Pedophile pizza parlors do not resonate with the general public.

The Batlord 05-31-2021 06:09 PM

So, again, do you think that the right imploding as a constructive political force will produce MORE stability? Are you just sitting around watching The West Wing on repeat waiting for adult politics to become fashionable again? Cause that's just as delusional as waiting for a communist revolution to solve all of the world's problems. The right has chosen its path and it's not showing any indication of ever straying from that path.

TheBig3 05-31-2021 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2175071)
So, again, do you think that the right imploding as a constructive political force will produce MORE stability? Are you just sitting around watching The West Wing on repeat waiting for adult politics to become fashionable again? Cause that's just as delusional as waiting for a communist revolution to solve all of the world's problems. The right has chosen its path and it's not showing any indication of ever straying from that path.

I've never watched the West Wing.

Lisnaholic 05-31-2021 07:12 PM

Again, I hope you are right, Big3.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175069)
The GOP is constantly throwing out it's own - not a real republican, RINO, not a Trump supporter. The more the litmus test throws people out, the remaining crowd is not only smaller, but says more alienating stuff.

To me, the next logical step in this process is to have a group of Republicans splinter off and form a new party. This is what would've happened in England by now: sure the splinter party is always weaker, but usually picks up a few seats. If it is lucky, it gets enough seats that neither of the other parties gets a clear majority, like a Senate that's 45-10-45. When that happens, the splinter group is like a lady with two lovers, both major parties trying to get her into their bed. It's actually quite stabilising I think, though I don't know the details.
Is it my imagination, or do people in the US have the attitude that a third party is unthinkable?

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And the GOP is giving up anyone who has the mental capacity to write legislation.
Yep, they are becoming a party that never do their homework. I was reminded of this today, watching a documentary about the upcoming environmental disaster of California's drought: 21 years of water shortage so far, and set to get worse this year. Failing crops, cattle that can't be maintained: it'll take extraordinary measures to avoid disaster, but are the GOP investigating solutions? No, they are preparing their next speeches about space lasers and planning to block infrastructure spending.

Neapolitan 05-31-2021 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2175071)
So, again, do you think that the right imploding as a constructive political force will produce MORE stability? Are you just sitting around watching The West Wing on repeat waiting for adult politics to become fashionable again? Cause that's just as delusional as waiting for a communist revolution to solve all of the world's problems. The right has chosen its path and it's not showing any indication of ever straying from that path.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175074)
I've never watched the West Wing.

Let me guess you watch:
Cheers
Boston Legal
The Practice
Boston Common
Crossing Jordan
Ally McBeal
Dawson's Creek
Southie Rules
St. Elsewhere
Amirightoramiright? Cause they're all situated there in Boston.

TheBig3 05-31-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2175075)
Is it my imagination, or do people in the US have the attitude that a third party is unthinkable?

Generally yes because third party candidates don't have wildly different positions on most of the issues. It tends to be on ONE issue and the rest are fairly comparable. Ross Perot being the only exception really. But what you've got now is a group of people thinking that core things are wrong.

The Trump Wing believes in Protectionism, Isolationism, and the more extreme wing of them thinks the Constitution can't work in multicultural nation. Hence the "muh constitution" memes.


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Yep, they are becoming a party that never do their homework. I was reminded of this today, watching a documentary about the upcoming environmental disaster of California's drought: 21 years of water shortage so far, and set to get worse this year. Failing crops, cattle that can't be maintained: it'll take extraordinary measures to avoid disaster, but are the GOP investigating solutions? No, they are preparing their next speeches about space lasers and planning to block infrastructure spending.

Congress is only allowed to do things in the United States when a crisis happens. I don't blame them, honestly, I blame the voters. A proactive Congress would be voted out immediately.

The Batlord 05-31-2021 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175074)
I've never watched the West Wing.

Thank you for addressing the joke portion of my post. I am now convinced that technocratic liberalalism will solve the problem of political polarization. Avoiding the issue will simply calm the right down.

TheBig3 05-31-2021 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2175081)
Thank you for addressing the joke portion of my post. I am now convinced that technocratic liberalalism will solve the problem of political polarization. Avoiding the issue will simply calm the right down.

I explained in detail why i thought the GOP would lose in 2022. You replied with "The right has chosen its path and it's not showing any indication of ever straying from that path." So aside from not even being an appropriate response, it was very light on details as to which plan you thought would work.

And now you come here and say I'm avoiding the details.

Lisnaholic 05-31-2021 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175079)
Generally yes because third party candidates don't have wildly different positions on most of the issues. It tends to be on ONE issue and the rest are fairly comparable. Ross Perot being the only exception really. But what you've got now is a group of people thinking that core things are wrong.

Yes, with Liz Cheney, it may look like a one-issue difference she had about Trump's culpability, but that difference turns into a chasm wide enough to justify forming a new party I would've thought:
Liz Cheney's GOP: disown Trump, fiscally conservative, responding to reality
Actual GOP: chained to Trump, no consistent fiscal policy, chasing election fraud and other conspiracy theories


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