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rostasi 05-31-2021 07:52 PM
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And now you come here and say I'm avoiding the details.
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Many things need to happen before either of these things occur. So answering this wouldn't take into account the 12 steps between now and then.

But what happens to a legislature that bucks the will of 70% of it's population? State Legislators are much closer to the voting public than Congress is.
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The Batlord 05-31-2021 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175079)
The Trump Wing believes in Protectionism, Isolationism, and the more extreme wing of them thinks the Constitution can't work in multicultural nation. Hence the "muh constitution" memes.
Omg do you actually think that's what Trumpism is about? It's about cheap emotional manipulation to give people easy enemies to latch onto the same as any fascist movement. The specifics are only as relevant as they are exploitable even if the specifics are in some way actually relevant and speak to real problems. Protectionism speaks to Trump voters because China provides an easy villain even if deindustrialization is a real problem affecting their lives.

The Batlord 05-31-2021 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2175082)
I explained in detail why i thought the GOP would lose in 2022. You replied with "The right has chosen its path and it's not showing any indication of ever straying from that path." So aside from not even being an appropriate response, it was very light on details as to which plan you thought would work.

And now you come here and say I'm avoiding the details.
I think your details might be relevant to an election but miss the forest for the trees because they ignore what the actual problem is. I also think you're a gatekeeping bitch for insisting on me having a tree debate. I don't claim to know all the specifics of election politics but the larger problem is pretty clear and you're ignoring it to say CNN round table ****.

Neapolitan 05-31-2021 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2175075)
Is it my imagination, or do people in the US have the attitude that a third party is unthinkable?
There are parties other than Democrats and Republicans. eg Green Party, Libertarian Party

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2175075)
Yep, they are becoming a party that never do their homework. I was reminded of this today, watching a documentary about the upcoming environmental disaster of California's drought: 21 years of water shortage so far, and set to get worse this year. Failing crops, cattle that can't be maintained: it'll take extraordinary measures to avoid disaster, but are the GOP investigating solutions? No, they are preparing their next speeches about space lasers and planning to block infrastructure spending.
I had to check that. I came across an article, it was posted a few years ago. It did mention CA Republicans had a plan, it passed the state's legislation but was stop in the (state) senate.

Lisnaholic 05-31-2021 08:22 PM
Thanks for the fact checks, Neapolitan!

I wonder when the Californian Republicans had a plan? I hope it's clear that my criticisms of the Republican party are mainly about how it is today. How it was in the past, or how it is at the state level is outside my limited area of knowledge. (Except when Texas pulls a stunt like it is presently trying, to make voting unnecessarily difficult.)

Neapolitan 05-31-2021 09:41 PM
As far as I could ascertain the paln was water for farms. About a month ago (back in April) Republicans were asking for statewide emergency, not just a two county emergency the governor called. Then ~ 19 days later he called for a 41 county emergency. What happen since then I am not sure.

The Batlord 05-31-2021 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2175100)
As far as I could ascertain the paln was water for farms. About a month ago (back in April) Republicans were asking for statewide emergency, not just a two county emergency the governor called. Then ~ 19 days later he called for a 41 county emergency. What happen since then I am not sure.
But what of the Thetan menace?

Neapolitan 05-31-2021 11:25 PM
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But what of the Thetan menace?
:confused: Does that have anything to do with the Tholians and their Tholian webs?

TheBig3 06-03-2021 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2175088)
I think your details might be relevant to an election but miss the forest for the trees because they ignore what the actual problem is. I also think you're a gatekeeping bitch for insisting on me having a tree debate. I don't claim to know all the specifics of election politics but the larger problem is pretty clear and you're ignoring it to say CNN round table ****.
I'm a gatekeep bitch because you don't like my opinion? What? Also I don't watch CNN.

Keep in mind on Musicbanter it's real easy to dick-suck the impossible left. For anyone attempting to thread the needle on what's both possible and progress, we have to do more than check-in with our gut.

The Batlord 06-03-2021 03:58 PM
You know you can be a filthy Marxist while still having realistic ideas about what's politically possible right? You don't have to turn into a reactionary liberal who'll give a Republican a hand job just to spite the Left.


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