I like the far right when they start preaching violence.

Nazbol spazbol. I’m a Maoist.

Of course she always will. He ****ed her up.

It’s whatever I want it to be

You’re always trying to pin **** down

Also you let the right define you by giving them domain

ok Chomsky

Well, had to post this one.



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there was no other Democrat of note willing to run against her

That doesn't seem somewhat shady to you? The Clintons hold serious power and are notoriously corrupt and underhanded.

Also, with the independent thing, Bernie is functionally a Democrat and the DNC is supposed to be an impartial entity that selects the candidate based on who the voters support. That's how they present their role. So you're not even really saying they're not corrupt you're just saying you expect them to be corrupt.

Unless his brain is mush of course he expects them to be corrupt. You don’t get to wield that kind of power by playing fair.

I think that's what elph just said. Which makes me wonder why he doesn't rail against Hillary if he thinks she exemplifies everything that's horrible about the Democratic Party.

Lesser of two evils thinking

**** that’s why I voted for Biden

Joe Biden calls son Hunter the 'smartest man he knows'


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Yeah but he doesn't come at it like that. He comes at it like he's looking for a hero which is just dumb.

I think you’re underestimating how important it is to him that Republicans lose

I think you're undserestimating how important it is for him to feel like there's a winning side he can be on.

Yeah. Him and jwb both have that affliction. The window of possibility ****.

I hate that kind of thinking. “I support this because it might really happen”

Bitch you supporting it isn’t going to affect the outcome one iota so what difference does that make?

People always use that on me. Oh that will never happen. Who gives a ****? Am I supposed to support **** that I DON’T want to happen

Except that is what I did with Biden but my hate for Trump is just vitriolic. With covid added on my hate for him and DeSantis is so pronounced I think it’s like physically bad for my health.

Yeah I get that with jwb like he has no moral stance whatsoever and is just siding with pure pragmatism but still calls out moral stances because they call out his pragmatism as if he's insecure about a moral stance he refuses to take in the first place.

well he said there's a problem with framing it as corruption cause it's standard practice. I'm saying that it might be standard practice but that doesn't make it any less corrupt.

So what I said.

I dislike her in the same gist as I do Obama since I'm sure he would have voted for Iraq but Obama isn't married to someone he knows full welll is a rapist. I mean come on Hillary is clearly willing to ignore rape and child molestation to further her own career.

Thanks ribbons, thanks Marie. I appreciate the kind words.

to the extent it doesn't make a difference is to the same extent anything you do doesn't make a difference.

Like voting pragmatically doesn't make a difference not because pragmatism doesn't work but because no matter who you are or how you vote, your vote individually doesn't really make a difference.

supporting something is an empty gesture if you have no expectation that the goal you support is an actual possibly achievable goal

Its just a way to pat yourself on the back for having the right take. Utterly useless.

I don't really understand this post at all tbh

I have some morals but they're looser than most people's

I support pragmatism not as an alternative to morality but as a supplement. Results matter. That's the bottom line. Good intentions are nice but not worth jack **** without good results.

no.. . They maintain the front of basic impartiality which was only exposed officially as a farce due to the wikileaks hack. You can try to rewrite history all you want but people were fired over that ****.

she's not a likable person and she basically represented more of the same **** we saw from 8 years of Obama with some minor tweaks

She's part of an entrenched political crime family that inherited her bid for prez and then half assedly tried to sell it as an underdog story of female empowerment. What's not to get? We didn't like her in 08, we didn't like her in 16, and we don't like her now.

...the ****?

The Vatican covering up for pedo priests is also "optics"

You're saying as long as you're only doing it for personal gain that removes your moral culpability???

Nah people were fired cause of what the leaks revealed

I'm not talking about their cyber security people who are responsible for preventing leaks. I'm talking about people who's misconduct was captured by said leaks.

Bill Clinton was charismatic.

Obama was charismatic. He's also a black man which was a more far fetched option for prez than a white woman in 08. Yet he beat her. Despite her shamelessly starting the rumor he was born in Kenya or whatever. Charisma.

Hilary is a ****ing robot. She's transparently fake. And clearly corrupt. She's penetration with no foreplay.

But don't you wanna see a WOMAN president????,

@jwb I think it's bad faith to pretend that her being a woman plays no role (if you're even implying that), it's probably a big part of why she's deemed 'unlikeable', even of why she's not charismatic.

complete cop out imo

Her being a woman makes some people not like her, true

Guess what? That's a double edged sword. Her being a woman is literally the only thing she had to offer from a progressive pov. That's why it was central to her campaign. Because there's nothing to actually get excited about policy wise. It's just purely the symbolic aspect of having a woman prez. So it's not clear that being a woman hurt her more than it helped her. Besides her gender and her association with Bill, there's nothing that differentiates her from a typical career politician like Biden. She might not even have gotten the nomination without that angle.

As for her being a woman makes her unlikable... Once again complete cop out. AOC is very likable and down to earth. Hilary is stiff, robotic, disingenuous. She panders the way all politicians do but she can't pull it off. You can see right through the facade. See: her phoney black folk accent she adopted when talking to a black crowd. Utterly cringe. Or her comment about keeping a bottle of hot sauce in her purse lmao. You guys can sit here and say I would like her if she wasn't a woman all day long but you're projecting. You wouldn't be defending her if she was a man.

What exactly was so progressive about it? It seemed like a marginal improvement on Obama and that's the campaign platform not what she would've actually done when in office. Plus this was after 8 years of Obama which puts her at an inherent disadvantage. Especially with the amount of discontent in the country at the time and the rise of a candidate on the other side promising something different.

But yeah most people don't vote on policy strictly. They need to like their candidate. She's hard to like.

I really agree with jwb 100% on Hillary.

I think I personally had a visceral reaction to her at a very specific point that touched on the core reason she was and is so despised. You can say no it’s misogyny, misanthropy, or just a hatred for the rich and powerful status quo on my part or sexism and conservative bias on society’s part but I’m quite positive my reaction to her at that time was very widespread and not related to politics at all. It was a big moment but I can’t remember exactly what but something like accepting her nomination at the DNC. You could tell that even she was shocked by how intense the enthusiasm in the room was. These were people that really wanted her to become president. People who felt like her success was their success and a profound universal win for womankind in general. Whether her supporters had valid reasons or not wasn’t what repulsed me so deeply though.

It was her ****ing face. This maniacal hackling grin that clearly betrayed a lust for approval and especially power that looked positively vampiric. She had no ability to feign humility whatsoever. No politician, talk show host, rock star, pro-athlete, kid who just won a national spelling bee... no human being I ever saw came off worse... to me. I’m sure others, deep inside, were more power hungry but no one had ever once appeared more so to me, ever.

There was no way after that that I would ever vote for her. Not against Trump. Not against Hitler. Even if her entire platform had been based on bringing herself and Chelsea down to Florida to suck my dick and give me money I still ... well ... in that case she would’ve had my vote.

But along with other points that jwb has made she was simply intensely unlikeable. Not everybody had that reaction to her and those that didn’t will probably find it inexplicable except by turning it on me but I’m telling you it was some version of that that was widespread enough to cost her the election. My non-policy based reason for HATING her wasn’t unique. Millions of people felt enough of it, just had a negative gut reaction to her that made it impossible to vote for her. Period. No ****ing way.

You gutless little bitch. If she knows, and you know she knows, and does nothing she's complicit. **** that evil ****.

From a policy standpoint she represents a form of capitalism that is killing all life on earth.

If “considered progressive” equals death it’s not much of an improvement on Trump. Seeing as to how I can only get so dead.

I’d prefer neither

High level of turnout makes a Dem win more likely; is that what you' re saying in the bold bit? It seems like you're belittling Biden's win by saying, "That's just because he's the head of the party that's more popular."

I think there is great benefit in having a well-informed public; an ideal shared by everyone who ever picked up a newspaper or watched a news broadcast. As you point out, hacking prob goes on all the time; this story has hit the headlines because of how serious it is. Lucky you weren't a reporter when the Titanic sank, Anteater: "The public don't need to know about this; boats sink all the time."

Prior to Trump, presidents were labelled as "Healer in Chief", I think, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who respond to a kind word from a President even though, as you say, "it doesn't solve anything one way or the other". There are plenty of other motives for speaking beyond "solving things".
At one level, the idea in bold is true, on the other hand, it's not; people do listen to the government - especially when there is clear, consistent messaging. One reason why or one example of Americans are doing what the Hell they want is on the issue of masks: a bewildering lack of direction, so people do what they want. An example of consistant messaging: smoking damages your health. Not everyone, but plenty of people have followed the government's advice on that.

Why won't a news story ever stay simple? Thanks for the article, Anteater.

I found this comment a little troubling. It seems to be an exercise in Conspiracy Theory 101: the statistics don't support my belief, therefore the truth has been hidden.
Here's another example: Stats on genecide of Jews during WWII:
Germany under Hitler: approx 6 million killed
England under Churchill: approx 0 killed
Following your logic, we should therefore conclude that Churchill was better at hiding his policy of Jewish genecide than Hitler.
In one sentence, you take us from facts to fallacy; what's alarming is just how easy and how popular this kind of argument has become.

That’s a bit rich considering the classic Nazi false equivalency you just used.

I know, I think you're projecting things I didn't imply. I'm not saying that anyone would like her if she were a man, I'm not even claiming that being a woman hurt her more than it helped her. You guys were discussing where the Hillary hatred comes from, and I just think you left out this aspect. I'm not defending her or sympathising with her in any way.

About why people like AOC: she's hot. She also doesn't have the other unlikeable aspects that hillary has, of course. My general point is that being a powerful woman clashes with some key things a woman is supposed to be, like pleasing and such. It's very difficult to navigate that without being labelled a detestable shrew; only a few women manage but they're exceptions.

You hated her because she couldn't fake not being humble. Why do you expect her to be? Do her male equivalents seem humble? Of course she's a monster, but I think she gets more **** for it than the male monsters around her. Which doesn't mean people are too hard on her, they're just not willing enough to see through those men and condemn them as much. (I'm talking about the average person here, not about you)

And coincidentally, the second paragraph I'm quoting here is a great example of how deeply ingrained the mentality is that women should please.

Anyone who is aware of child ****ing and does or says nothing is complicit. What's so hard to understand about that? Bill Clinton is scum and so is his wife.