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OccultHawk 12-19-2020 07:44 AM

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powerful woman
There’s an interview with Alicia Garza https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Garza on a recent Intelligence Squared podcast where she talks about “Black Capitalism” and she’s crystal clear that capitalism is never to be celebrated and successful black capitalists are every bit as much to blame as any other capitalist because the foundation of their success is the oppression of others which is exactly why I ridicule BLM slogans on rich athletes’ uniforms. Hillary doesn’t get a pass. Kobe doesn’t get a pass. No one whose success reinforces the capitalist paradigm is a worthwhile role model or inspiration to anyone. Take for instance this bull**** narrative that Kamala Harris is a great example for little girls of color to upon for validation. **** that ****. They should look to all the black women who never had two nickels to rub together and consequently never exploited another person once in their lives and yet they still live a dignified life without being a capitalist oppressor.

Trollheart 12-19-2020 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2150619)
Lucky you weren't a reporter when the Titanic sank, Anteater: "The public don't need to know about this; boats sink all the time."

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2150632)
Anyone who is aware of child ****ing and does or says nothing is complicit. What's so hard to understand about that? Bill Clinton is scum and so is his wife.

"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men (or women) to do nothing"...

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 07:51 AM

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You hated her because she couldn't fake not being humble. Why do you expect her to be?
I don’t expect ****. I’m just explaining why she lost.

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Do her male equivalents seem humble?
Trump seemed like a working class joe that might buy me a beer by comparison. She couldn’t fake it.

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And coincidentally, the second paragraph I'm quoting here is a great example of how deeply ingrained the mentality is that women should please.
I don’t care. Like I said before I’ll happily weaponize sexism and racism against the rich.

Marie Monday 12-19-2020 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150634)
There’s an interview with Alicia Garza https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Garza on a recent Intelligence Squared podcast where she talks about “Black Capitalism” and she’s crystal clear that capitalism is never to be celebrated and successful black capitalists are every bit as much to blame as any other capitalist because the foundation of their success is the oppression of others which is exactly why I ridicule BLM slogans on rich athletes’ uniforms. Hillary doesn’t get a pass. Kobe doesn’t get a pass. No one whose success reinforces the capitalist paradigm is a worthwhile role model or inspiration to anyone. Take for instance this bull**** narrative that Kamala Harris is a great example for little girls of color to upon for validation. **** that ****. They should look to all the black women who never had two nickels to rub together and consequently never exploited another person once in their lives and yet they still live a dignified life without being a capitalist oppressor.

Omg why aren't you guys getting that I'm not giving anyone a pass
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150637)
Trump seemed like a working class joe that might buy me a beer by comparison. She couldn’t fake it.

But not because he fakes being humble. It seems to me like it's partly him being a man that makes people feel like that. Here I go again, but it's bro culture.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150640)
Omg why aren't you guys getting that I'm not giving anyone a pass

You’re like oh you have a problem with powerful women. That’s goddamn right. No one should wield power over another. Period. If the traditional means that trample women also trample her I hope she ****ing drowns in it. **** her.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 08:06 AM

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bro culture
If it smashes that capitalist **** **** yes

Marie Monday 12-19-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150641)
You’re like oh you have a problem with powerful women. That’s goddamn right. No one should wield power over another. Period. If the traditional means that trample women also trample her I hope she ****ing drowns in it. **** her.

No, I'm saying that people have more of a problem with powerful women than with powerful men.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150643)
No, I'm saying that people have more of a problem with powerful women than with powerful men.

And I’m saying I’m completely fine with that. Don’t give sanctuary to powerful women amp up the hate higher on powerful men. But I’m not going to give up a weapon against powerful women just because it doesn’t work on men. By ALL means necessary.

Anteater 12-19-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2150619)
High level of turnout makes a Dem win more likely; is that what you' re saying in the bold bit? It seems like you're belittling Biden's win by saying, "That's just because he's the head of the party that's more popular."

Yep, I'm belittling him. And I stand by it.


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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2150619)
I think there is great benefit in having a well-informed public; an ideal shared by everyone who ever picked up a newspaper or watched a news broadcast. As you point out, hacking prob goes on all the time; this story has hit the headlines because of how serious it is. Lucky you weren't a reporter when the Titanic sank, Anteater: "The public don't need to know about this; boats sink all the time."

If you actually read the story though, it doesn't appear to be as serious as they made it out to be. In fact, it looks like a giant ???. "We have major security issues in all our departments and it "appears" they got into our systems and then did nothing for 8 months". Comparing that to the Titanic sinking is laughable.


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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2150619)
Prior to Trump, presidents were labelled as "Healer in Chief", I think, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who respond to a kind word from a President even though, as you say, "it doesn't solve anything one way or the other". There are plenty of other motives for speaking beyond "solving things".

At one level, the idea in bold is true, on the other hand, it's not; people do listen to the government - especially when there is clear, consistent messaging. One reason why or one example of Americans are doing what the Hell they want is on the issue of masks: a bewildering lack of direction, so people do what they want. An example of consistant messaging: smoking damages your health. Not everyone, but plenty of people have followed the government's advice on that.

1. Leaders can say all the nice things they want. Trump is despicable to most people but guess what? He's the only guy in the room advocating for 2k a month to every American and both Repubs and Democrats don't seem to give a ****. When did Obama ever advocate for money going out to the average American back in 2009 after the housing crash? Never. He said nice things on T.V. but was ultimately trash.

2. If all that's true, then why do so many Americans have a fundamental distrust in government that spans multiple generations now? This isn't limited to minorities or any specific group either - the JFK assassination, 9/11 conspiracy theories, "the moon landing was faked" etc. are all things that just don't seem to die.


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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2150619)
I found this comment a little troubling. It seems to be an exercise in Conspiracy Theory 101: the statistics don't support my belief, therefore the truth has been hidden.
Here's another example: Stats on genecide of Jews during WWII:
Germany under Hitler: approx 6 million killed
England under Churchill: approx 0 killed
Following your logic, we should therefore conclude that Churchill was better at hiding his policy of Jewish genecide than Hitler.
In one sentence, you take us from facts to fallacy; what's alarming is just how easy and how popular this kind of argument has become.

OH's response to you on this was already perfect, so I don't have anything else to add to it.

Marie Monday 12-19-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150644)
And I’m saying I’m completely fine with that. Don’t give sanctuary to powerful women amp up the hate higher on powerful men. But I’m not going to give up a weapon against powerful women just because it doesn’t work on men. By ALL means necessary.

Dude I just said that.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 08:46 AM

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Trump is despicable to most people but guess what? He's the only guy in the room advocating for 2k a month to every American and both Repubs and Democrats don't seem to give a ****. When did Obama ever advocate for money going out to the average American back in 2009 after the housing crash? Never. He said nice things on T.V. but was ultimately trash.
After my first big mental breakdown I had just spent 7 months on unpaid medical leave from teaching and Obama sent me a bill for not fulfilling my duty to cover the ACA mandate. Even the worst capitalists actually give you a product when you buy something. Obama was the only mother****er I ever knew to have the audacity to charge you for the crime of not being able to afford healthcare. That’s a goddamn historical fact.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150647)
Dude I just said that.

Good. Let’s go get her. You tie her up and I’ll do the rest.

Marie Monday 12-19-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150649)
Good. Let’s go get her. You tie her up and I’ll do the rest.

Whoa don't drag me into your creepy fantasies

Also, were you not reading my posts then? How could you, shame!

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 09:00 AM

I read your posts but I did didn’t feel like we were on the same page.

Marie Monday 12-19-2020 09:41 AM

We're on the same page when it comes to that detail, but I disagree with the idea that hatred for rich people can justify use of racism or misoginy. But we've talked about that before

Trollheart 12-19-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150637)



Trump seemed like a working class joe that might buy me a beer by comparison. She couldn’t fake it.

Really? You fell for that fat ****er's bull****? I watched The Apprentice for years and I could see he was only out for himself no matter what he said. He might buy you a beer, but it would be Trump Beer (TM) and he'd get a kickback from it, so he wouldn't really be paying for it. Plus the next five rounds would be on you.

Of all people here, I would not have expected you to have considered Trump a "normal Joe". What the **** is normal about one of the world's biggest and most greedy capitalists? How do you work that one out?


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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2150645)
the Titanic sinking is laughable.

I'm so tempted to take that out of context and use it as my sig, but, you know, sig free now for going on three years....
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150650)
Whoa don't drag me into your creepy fantasies

Also, were you not reading my posts then? How could you, shame!

He can't hear you over the sound of his own voice shouting obscenities.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 11:24 AM

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Really? You fell for that fat ****er's bull****?
Bitch you’re taking **** the wrong way

jwb 12-19-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2150611)
a marginal improvement on Obama made it the most progressive candidacy ever (to win the nomination ofc)

outside internet politics and DSA meetings someone like Biden is considered progressive

Basically she represented more of the same, which was another thing working against her after 8 years of Obama. She wanted a public option. Guess what? So did Obama, when he was campaigning. He caved when in office due to political pressure. No telling what her actual policy would be once in office but it's hard to think she'd have been much different from Obama.

Except she was more of a war hawk than he was. That's one key difference.

jwb 12-19-2020 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150628)
I know, I think you're projecting things I didn't imply. I'm not saying that anyone would like her if she were a man, I'm not even claiming that being a woman hurt her more than it helped her. You guys were discussing where the Hillary hatred comes from, and I just think you left out this aspect. I'm not defending her or sympathising with her in any way.

About why people like AOC: she's hot. She also doesn't have the other unlikeable aspects that hillary has, of course. My general point is that being a powerful woman clashes with some key things a woman is supposed to be, like pleasing and such. It's very difficult to navigate that without being labelled a detestable shrew; only a few women manage but they're exceptions.

I didn't mention it on purpose because that's the only thing anyone ever mentions. They refuse to put any of the blame on Hillary and defer to sexism, Russia, etc.

A big part of why she's so hated is also because of her association with Bill. There's been a 30+ year Republican propaganda campaign against the Clintons and Hillary played a very active role when he was president. She did a lot of shady and corrupt **** including pressuring victims of sexual assault to stay quiet.

Unlike Bill though she has no charisma to counter act against this legacy. And it's not cause she's a woman it's cause she's an empty suit. There's nothing genuine about her.

But to the same extent her sex can fuel hatred and her legacy with Bill can fuel hatred, she wouldn't be where she is in the first place without these factors. So you reap the benefits and you also reap the consequences. That's life. You don't get something for nothing.

As for AOC being sexy sure that might help but Palin is kinda a milf and I still find her unlikable. Omar isn't that hot and she's more likable than Palin. So is Warren, though I like her less due to how she handled this recent campaign for prez and basically double crossed Bernie.

At the end of day, Hillary is unlikable and just happens to be a woman. That's all it is. It's just like Ted Cruz. He's a slimey, phony guy that just rubs people the wrong way. He also happens to be Hispanic. That's not why he's disliked but he could just as easily play the race card and turn himself into the victim the way Hillary does with sex.

jwb 12-19-2020 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150631)
You hated her because she couldn't fake not being humble. Why do you expect her to be? Do her male equivalents seem humble? Of course she's a monster, but I think she gets more **** for it than the male monsters around her. Which doesn't mean people are too hard on her, they're just not willing enough to see through those men and condemn them as much. (I'm talking about the average person here, not about you)

And coincidentally, the second paragraph I'm quoting here is a great example of how deeply ingrained the mentality is that women should please.

both Obama and Bill Clinton seem way more humble than Hillary lol

The Batlord 12-19-2020 01:11 PM

I will say that Hillary Clinton is more likeable than Ted Cruz.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2150700)
question was again why the specific hatred for Hillary when child ****ing is as natural for the rich as boat shorts

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The Batlord 12-19-2020 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2150700)
question was again why the specific hatred for Hillary when child ****ing is as natural for the rich as boat shorts

Because we're talking about Hillary Clinton and I'm giving you a reason why she should be hung from a street lamp.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 03:18 PM

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she should be hung from a street lamp
Church

Marie Monday 12-19-2020 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2150677)
I didn't mention it on purpose because that's the only thing anyone ever mentions. They refuse to put any of the blame on Hillary and defer to sexism, Russia, etc.

A big part of why she's so hated is also because of her association with Bill. There's been a 30+ year Republican propaganda campaign against the Clintons and Hillary played a very active role when he was president. She did a lot of shady and corrupt **** including pressuring victims of sexual assault to stay quiet.

Unlike Bill though she has no charisma to counter act against this legacy. And it's not cause she's a woman it's cause she's an empty suit. There's nothing genuine about her.

But to the same extent her sex can fuel hatred and her legacy with Bill can fuel hatred, she wouldn't be where she is in the first place without these factors. So you reap the benefits and you also reap the consequences. That's life. You don't get something for nothing.

As for AOC being sexy sure that might help but Palin is kinda a milf and I still find her unlikable. Omar isn't that hot and she's more likable than Palin. So is Warren, though I like her less due to how she handled this recent campaign for prez and basically double crossed Bernie.

At the end of day, Hillary is unlikable and just happens to be a woman. That's all it is. It's just like Ted Cruz. He's a slimey, phony guy that just rubs people the wrong way. He also happens to be Hispanic. That's not why he's disliked but he could just as easily play the race card and turn himself into the victim the way Hillary does with sex.

I agree with part of this, but I do think that besides the lack of charisma her being a woman does play a role. There's probably no way to argue that further without repeating ourselves. I do think the Hispanic comparison isn't valid though; people feel differently about a powerful Hispanic person than a powerful woman, maybe because of family structures or something.

About AOC, like I said it's not just about being hot, it's about avoiding the powerful woman = witch imago in a more general way. Also whether you specifically like these women or not may not be entirely representative. At least, I credit you with better judgement about such things than the average person, however you may feel about women

jwb 12-19-2020 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2150700)
question was again why the specific hatred for Hillary when child ****ing is as natural for the rich as boat shorts

the question has been answered you just don't like the ans

It's her personality, not her sex.

jwb 12-19-2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150707)
I agree with part of this, but I do think that besides the lack of charisma her being a woman does play a role. There's probably no way to argue that further without repeating ourselves. I do think the Hispanic comparison isn't valid though; people feel differently about a powerful Hispanic person than a powerful woman, maybe because of family structures or something.

About AOC, like I said it's not just about being hot, it's about avoiding the powerful woman = witch imago in a more general way. Also whether you specifically like these women or not may not be entirely representative. At least, I credit you with better judgement about such things than the average person, however you may feel about women

seeing a black man in power over the country seemed more far fetched than a white woman in 2008 yet Obama beat Hillary. Why?

The Batlord 12-19-2020 03:45 PM

I don't think it's fair to call Ted Cruz Hispanic. That man has powerful white settler colonial energy.

jwb 12-19-2020 03:47 PM

:rolleyes: yeah cause Hispanics never colonised nothing. Shaddap hay seed.

Marie Monday 12-19-2020 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2150712)
seeing a black man in power over the country seemed more far fetched than a white woman in 2008 yet Obama beat Hillary. Why?

Because he's more likeable, of course I agree with that. It's definitely more far-fetched for a black person to be powerful than a woman, but it doesn't have the same stigma of unlikeability. I'm not claiming Hillary is more unlikeable than Obama just because she's a woman though, just that I think it contributes

The Batlord 12-19-2020 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2150715)
:rolleyes: yeah cause Hispanics never colonised nothing. Shaddap hay seed.

As a young man Ted Cruz was drinking Modelo in a cemetery until he fell through the ground into a forgotten crypt. There he beheld upon the neck of a skeleton on a plinth an amulet of pure darkness. Putting it around his neck he became possessed by the spirit of an old white plantation owner and set off to conquer the world.

You can see it in his eyes.

Trollheart 12-19-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150672)
Bitch you’re taking **** the wrong way

My sex life is my own business thank you.
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2150702)
Because we're talking about Hillary Clinton and I'm giving you a reason why she should be hung from a street lamp.

That's very irrresponsible. What if the street lamp breaks? And do you really want to be walking past her bloated corpse every time you head to the pub?
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150704)
Church

Hung from a church? Interesting. Crucified maybe?
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2150707)
I agree with part of this, but I do think that besides the lack of charisma her being a woman does play a role. There's probably no way to argue that further without repeating ourselves. I do think the Hispanic comparison isn't valid though; people feel differently about a powerful Hispanic person than a powerful woman, maybe because of family structures or something.

About AOC, like I said it's not just about being hot, it's about avoiding the powerful woman = witch imago in a more general way. Also whether you specifically like these women or not may not be entirely representative. At least, I credit you with better judgement about such things than the average person, however you may feel about women

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...20121201222854
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2150720)
As a young man Ted Cruz was drinking Modelo in a cemetery until he fell through the ground into a forgotten crypt. There he beheld upon the neck of a skeleton on a plinth an amulet of pure darkness. Putting it around his neck he became possessed by the spirit of an old white plantation owner and set off to conquer the world.

You can see it in his eyes.

* robs idea for story *

The Batlord 12-19-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2150730)
That's very irrresponsible. What if the street lamp breaks? And do you really want to be walking past her bloated corpse every time you head to the pub?

Yes.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 05:10 PM

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It's definitely more far-fetched for a black person to be powerful than a woman
1) You need to switch up your pornhub algorithms
2) What if it’s a black woman?

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 05:10 PM

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And do you really want to be walking past her bloated corpse every time you head to the pub?
Yes

The Batlord 12-19-2020 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2150735)
Yes

Jinx! You owe me a Coke.

OccultHawk 12-19-2020 10:18 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...law/index.html

Heated Oval Office meeting included talk of special counsel, martial law as Trump advisers clash

Trollheart 12-21-2020 09:40 AM

Ah, the benefits of a college education huh? :laughing:
Pro-Trump Attorney Presents Signed Affidavit Under Plenty of Perjury

Lucem Ferre 12-21-2020 09:51 PM

We should eat every politician that made money this year. Like, hunt them like game and then eat them and anybody that tries protect them.

The Batlord 12-21-2020 09:58 PM

Eat the bitch.


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