2020 US Election Thread

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

I think your beliefs are just vague enough that you can always be right, which is its own moral failure, but the idea that because I'm to your alleged Right, I'm somehow a fascist.

That's not just MB approved, it's Internet Approved. Anyone who disagrees with me is Hitler. Someone call Geocities to see if they're owed royalties.

You heard it here, folks: Frownland is always right.

I think you're more of an imperialist warmonger than a fascist fwiw.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Frownland

You heard it here, folks: Frownland is always right.

I think you're more of an imperialist warmonger than a fascist fwiw.

Faint praise. I'm sure so many people meet this definition with you that I'm in too big a group to be noticed.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Same, actually, but I only have two questions:

1. Why do you think it's too early? In 10 years the shape of the country will be wildly different IMO.

Class conciousness is abysmal at the moment. Too many people are still conditioned to keep their head down and worry about their own situations. Electoral politics can achieve some things but without the people discovering some solidarity to leverage their numbers against the ruling class's wealth then it's a losing battle.
Activists have come along way since Occupy but they can't make up for a fossilized labor movement.

2. I don't know what you think Neo-liberalism failed to do. As far as I can tell it did everything it wanted to.

Well it certainly worked out for the rich but the wealth gap can only get so wide and the future can only get so bleak for everyone else before complacency turns to rage. And the boom and bust cycles of capitalism seem to be getting worse so the cracks may be getting wider.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Class conciousness is abysmal at the moment. Too many people are still conditioned to keep their head down and worry about their own situations. Electoral politics can achieve some things but without the people discovering some solidarity to leverage their numbers against the ruling class's wealth then it's a losing battle.
Activists have come along way since Occupy but they can't make up for a fossilized labor movement.

Maybe, I guess I'm more optimistic than that. It won't look like the early 1900s. But the Right doing an about face on a good deal of their economic policies, and Ted Cruz saying "we should be the party of working people" signals good things from where I sit.

Well it certainly worked out for the rich but the wealth gap can only get so wide and the future can only get so bleak for everyone else before complacency turns to rage. And the boom and bust cycles of capitalism seem to be getting worse so the cracks may be getting wider.

Yeah but that's what I mean. Neoliberalism gave the Democrats an option during the Reagan era. And it's giving way to a more robust Left. I don't think the New Democrats had that plan. But it is how it went. Anything that drives society towards Capitalism's end - even if its Capitalism eating itself - should be considered good by the Left, no?

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Maybe, I guess I'm more optimistic than that. It won't look like the early 1900s. But the Right doing an about face on a good deal of their economic policies, and Ted Cruz saying "we should be the party of working people" signals good things from where I sit.

Wait I didn't read the rest of this so maybe I'm misunderstanding but you think Ted Cruz cares about the working people?
Oh wait you mean he sees them as a factor/threat to be taken seriously? That does sound optimistic to me but I hope you're right

[The Batlord]

I'd be more optimistic if there weren't so many working class white dip****s who still eat that **** up. The working class remains divided by rat****ers like Cruz and Donald Trump and I don't see that problem being solved any time soon. We need those corn fed yokels to get their heads out of their asses.

[Marie Monday]

True, it goes both ways though. The progressive left and more Conservative parts of the working class both need to understand that they have a common goal and a common enemy

[Mindfulness]

Its almost 2022 yall


who the **** cares about 2020~!

[Anteater]

Doesn't matter if they have a common enemy or not. Most people are single-issue voters. Hell, you can't even get people who are only moderately different politically to see eye-to-eye on abortion because people draw a line in the sand on that.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by elphenor

they don't though

social issues are as important as economic ones

I'd argue MORE important than.

It's all about 'My Three Sons' vs. 'Modern Family' in the USA right now.