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Old 08-23-2020, 04:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If you're looking for pushback perhaps the better question is should people with mental illness(es) be allowed to own guns? Where would those lines be drawn?


Or you could borrow my favorite litmus test - if we eat meat and are able to do so because of the concept that the animals we eat lack sentience, shouldn't we be allowed to eat r-worded people?
nah cause I don't have a good argument for giving crazy people guns



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depends on the crime they committed? case by case?

I'm more against Dads and the Castle Doctrine

I remember Chula and OH both having sexual fantasies about some desperate junkie breaking in so they could get (1) murder for free
the first part of your post seems unrelated to the second. There are plenty of non felons who are eager to play cowboy. Which crimes do you think would make one more inclined to over zealously kill home invaders?

If we were going crime by crime the only category of people who pose a significant risk with a gun are people with domestic violence charges. Those are the types to kill their wife with a legal gun and end up eating the charges.
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Old 08-23-2020, 04:51 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well, I'd def push back on the idea that felons should be allowed access to guns, even if it means going against two of my fave mods:-





My Case: it's not to be vindictive about people who have paid their debt to society, it's about the notion that a person has shown themselves capable of a felony.
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Plenty of people are released from prison with almost full rights, but plus some restrictions. I suspect that some aren't allowed passports; someone who constructed a bomb is prob barred from working in the chemicals industry. Pedafiles aren't allowed near schools and have to register address changes, some people have long-term restraining orders, etc, etc.

I'm in favour of giving felons a fair second chance, but losing the right to bear arms is not much of an impedement to leading a normal life imo.
in the case of pedophiles and schools etc there's an obvious added risk involved - to a certain extent they are dealing with psychological issues and it's best to avoid triggering a relapse into bad behavior, the same way alcoholics avoid bars.

Felons with legal guns don't pose an obvious enough risk to strip them of a basic right guaranteed in the bill of rights. For reasons I explained above, gun crimes are much more likely to be committed with illegal guns because legal ones can be traced through ballistic forensics. And only a fraction of the felons are even gun crime offenders in the first place. Out of those... The gang killings are carried out almost exclusively with illegal guns. Domestic crimes sometimes involve legal guns but that group has a really low recitivism rate.
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Well, I'd def push back on the idea that felons should be allowed access to guns, even if it means going against two of my fave mods:-





My Case: it's not to be vindictive about people who have paid their debt to society, it's about the notion that a person has shown themselves capable of a felony.
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Plenty of people are released from prison with almost full rights, but plus some restrictions. I suspect that some aren't allowed passports; someone who constructed a bomb is prob barred from working in the chemicals industry. Pedafiles aren't allowed near schools and have to register address changes, some people have long-term restraining orders, etc, etc.

I'm in favour of giving felons a fair second chance, but losing the right to bear arms is not much of an impedement to leading a normal life imo.
I think if you had experience with released felons in the United States, like working side by side with people on work release programs, or dealing with them as parents of the children you were teaching you really wouldn’t feel like a past conviction is true indicator of future behavior or maybe not even past behavior compared to the general public. The American penal system is wildly unfair and criminalizes both pigmentation and poverty. Leaving them in a permanent disenfranchised second class status is usually what causes people to lash out. I would support intentionally arming them over denying them the right to self defense. Hell, we need people who are willing to put a gun to the head of this capitalist power structure.

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nah cause I don't have a good argument for giving crazy people guns



the first part of your post seems unrelated to the second. There are plenty of non felons who are eager to play cowboy. Which crimes do you think would make one more inclined to over zealously kill home invaders?

If we were going crime by crime the only category of people who pose a significant risk with a gun are people with domestic violence charges. Those are the types to kill their wife with a legal gun and end up eating the charges.
they are unrelated other than there are a whole lotta people that shouldn't have guns

OH has a gun
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they are unrelated other than there are a whole lotta people that shouldn't have guns

OH has a gun
you didn't answer the question of which crimes make you unfit to own one and why

Or at least a single example of a crime that would.
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Not all felons are violent criminals. They could be just like you ( ... plus a felony charge) and just want to protecr themselves with a "lefal weapon." Some commit white collar, and/or non-violent crimes. Some are not career criminals but have some isolated indecent in their past that prohibits them from legally purchasing a firearm. There are lawyers whose expertise is Restoration of Gun Rights that handle this kind of stuff all the time.

Another pertinent question: Should felons be able to own dogs to protecr themselves?
alright I didn't proofread. Nice spectrumy fixation on minor details you sperg champion. Go build a model train set.
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