Should Felons be allowed to own guns?

**Frownland** · 08-23-2020, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Yep, that's true, and yet we don't all commit one.

Until we need to or the law decides that we have.

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Do you really become a second-class citizen in the US if you lose your gun rights?!

You become a second class citizen in any country when one or more rights are limited in comparison to the general public, so yes. The value of gun rights is another question entirely, really.

~~jwb~~ · 08-23-2020, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

I didn't say that at all. I believe in the possibility of rehabilitation, all I'm suggesting is that balancing out the overall safety of society, against the loss of gun rights for felons, I think it's worth doing. With many safety measures imposed by society, some freedoms are lost and innocent people are inconvenienced. In principal I subscribe to the notion that someone who has paid his debt to society is an innocent person; all that happens is that he carries around one extra inconvenience. Just like me he can't drink and drive or ride a motorbike without a helmet, it's just that when I go into the gun shop, he has to wait in the car.

You didn't say it explicitly, but it was implicit in your logic.

They demonstrated themselves to be felons and thus incapable of ever fully retaining their rights and thus they are beyond rehabilitation in a certain regard. Correct me where I'm wrong.

A lot of the rest of what you said relies on the assumption that they pose a unique security risk if allowed to own weapons. I've already stated my case against this and am eagerly awaiting a rebuttal

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Was the Bill of Rights carved in stone and handed down by God? If the times, the technology and the society of the US have changed in the last 200 years, perhaps a footnote could be added to the Bill of Rights too.

that's an argument against the 2nd amendment which I agree with. But as long as the right exists it should be granted as widely as possible, and the fact that because it exists this is a country stock full of guns and armed criminals is all the more reason that denying a felon access to guns is an injustice that possibly prevents them from defending themselves.

WWWP · 08-23-2020, 02:08 PM

If you're looking for pushback perhaps the better question is should people with mental illness(es) be allowed to own guns? Where would those lines be drawn?

Or you could borrow my favorite litmus test - if we eat meat and are able to do so because of the concept that the animals we eat lack sentience, shouldn't we be allowed to eat r-worded people?

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 02:18 PM

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If you're looking for pushback perhaps the better question is should people with mental illness(es) be allowed to own guns?

I’m thinking more like if this world hasn’t made you crazy you shouldn’t have a gun.

You gotta be hella ****ed up not to be ****ed up.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

depends on the crime they committed? case by case?

I'm more against Dads and the Castle Doctrine

I remember Chula and OH both having sexual fantasies about some desperate junkie breaking in so they could get (1) murder for free

I don’t give a **** if you’re a junkie or a cop if you kick my door in.

Nea -I definitely think it’s more important to regulate who owns dogs than guns.

Neapolitan · 08-23-2020, 03:42 PM

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Nea -I definitely think it’s more important to regulate who owns dogs than guns.

Puppy mills, or people who don't take care of their pets?

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Puppy mills, or people who don't take care of their pets?

Both.

~~jwb~~ · 08-23-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP

If you're looking for pushback perhaps the better question is should people with mental illness(es) be allowed to own guns? Where would those lines be drawn?

Or you could borrow my favorite litmus test - if we eat meat and are able to do so because of the concept that the animals we eat lack sentience, shouldn't we be allowed to eat r-worded people?

nah cause I don't have a good argument for giving crazy people guns

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Originally Posted by elphenor

depends on the crime they committed? case by case?

I'm more against Dads and the Castle Doctrine

I remember Chula and OH both having sexual fantasies about some desperate junkie breaking in so they could get (1) murder for free

the first part of your post seems unrelated to the second. There are plenty of non felons who are eager to play cowboy. Which crimes do you think would make one more inclined to over zealously kill home invaders?

If we were going crime by crime the only category of people who pose a significant risk with a gun are people with domestic violence charges. Those are the types to kill their wife with a legal gun and end up eating the charges.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

OH has a gun

Damn skippy.

~~jwb~~ · 08-23-2020, 05:30 PM

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they are unrelated other than there are a whole lotta people that shouldn't have guns

OH has a gun

you didn't answer the question of which crimes make you unfit to own one and why

Or at least a single example of a crime that would.