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Old 12-21-2021, 06:19 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Democrats voting Republican will definitely undermine Democrats acting like Republicans.
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Old 12-21-2021, 06:22 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Democrats voting Republican will definitely undermine Democrats acting like Republicans.
Classic Frownland. Lots of critques. Zero plans.
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Old 12-21-2021, 06:30 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Whatever you gotta tell yourself to feel good about your plan to entrench conservatism in the Democratic party.
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Old 12-21-2021, 07:05 PM   #144 (permalink)
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you have to actually engage in a consistent organized effort if you want the Democrats to move left

taking 15 minutes to put a checkmark next to a D or R is not where that happens
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Old 12-21-2021, 07:23 PM   #145 (permalink)
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you have to actually engage in a consistent organized effort if you want the Democrats to move left

taking 15 minutes to put a checkmark next to a D or R is not where that happens
You're right. Voting has no impact. That's why Republicans gerrymander. Because it doesn't matter.
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Old 12-21-2021, 07:30 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Ja elph, voting has the dank result of moving both parties to the right, how is that not making an impact?
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Old 12-21-2021, 07:33 PM   #147 (permalink)
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As of right now, I'm planning to vote for a Republican in the midterms to send a message before the general.
I have to question the wisdom of this as a plan. What message will your vote be sending? I support the Republicans in their bids to: -
(i) be led by a delusional conman and sexual predator
(ii) dismantle democracy
(iii) deny Americans the fundamental social safety nets enjoyed across Europe and other developed nations
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(v) legalise vigilanteism to erode abortion or whatever other civil right they don't like.

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This good, compassionate, rational Democratic party sucks to be around. We really need to vote for a piece of **** next time who is willing to drown peoples dogs to get votes. I don't regret my Biden 2020 vote yet, but unless I see real work I won't vote for him in 2024. I don't care how scary the GOP is.

The Left won't wake up until they really lose.
Yes, everyone is exasperated by the J Manchin deadlock, but with a 50/50 senate the Dems are in a real bind. In my opinion, that's not a reason to bail on them - on the contrary it means they need more support, just a little more push to get a real majority. All they need is a couple more senators, and J Manchin and Kyrsten Cinnamon Girl can go wrestle with their consciences in the privacy of their own bathrooms for all that anyone would care.
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Old 12-21-2021, 08:02 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Isn't this partially how Trump got elected? People voted "to send a message" to Washington? How did that work out for them? As an Irish person I can certainly understand your frustration Big3: the Dems seem like the big fluffy teddy bear party that really want your vote but won't do anything to earn it/ do anything to validate it once they've got it, ie nothing to make you glad you voted for them. But is it not the lesser of two evils? If everyone takes your attitude, no matter how pissed off they may be, are they not playing into the hands of the RepublicaNazis, who hope such a thing will happen? I mean, you're free to do as you want, but when the Racial Police or Thought Police or Police Just Because kick down your door and haul you away or shoot you because reasons, you might think differently and regret your decision.

I agree Biden needs to stop smiling like some ****ing grandfather you love to see but can't wait till he goes, and needs to ****ing DO something, but the alternative is surely too scary, especially if you're poor, a poc, trans, liberal, muslim, vaxxer, climate believer or [insert thing that annoys RepublicaNazis here]...
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Old 12-21-2021, 08:03 PM   #149 (permalink)
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Classic Frownland. Lots of critques. Zero plans.
Yes, as opposed to the brilliant plan of voting Republican and further entrenching the system of pushing both parties further to the right. Much better than admitting you were wrong the whole time and contemplating socialism. Nancy Pelosi will surely decide to embrace Marx rather than going with her natural economic class interest of further siding with capitalism.
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I have to question the wisdom of this as a plan. What message will your vote be sending? I support the Republicans in their bids to: -
(i) be led by a delusional conman and sexual predator
(ii) dismantle democracy
(iii) deny Americans the fundamental social safety nets enjoyed across Europe and other developed nations
(iv) ignore or lie about climate change
(v) legalise vigilanteism to erode abortion or whatever other civil right they don't like.



Yes, everyone is exasperated by the J Manchin deadlock, but with a 50/50 senate the Dems are in a real bind. In my opinion, that's not a reason to bail on them - on the contrary it means they need more support, just a little more push to get a real majority. All they need is a couple more senators, and J Manchin and Kyrsten Cinnamon Girl can go wrestle with their consciences in the privacy of their own bathrooms for all that anyone would care.
I guarantee you there are many more Democrats thankful that Manchin and Synema are willing to take the public relations hit. Many of them are being paid by the same interests and don't want to cross the corporations but are fine with pretending otherwise while there are just enough democrats holding up the vote.

The democrats don't need support. They need to be removed.
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