Russia, Ukraine and World War III

Trollheart · 07-30-2022, 05:33 AM

Glad to hear it.

Trollheart · 08-02-2022, 12:08 PM

As Americans, what are your opinions on Pelosi's visit to Taiwan? In the wake of the Russian invasion, is this not just poking the bear? They feared China might intervene if they took sides (hah) in the conflict, yet here they are basically mooning them and saying go on, do your worst. Seems ****ing crazy to me. I mean, there was no need for her to go to Taiwan, and she knew it was going to rile up China, so, you know, are they trying to get us all killed?

rubber soul · 08-02-2022, 12:14 PM

Political posturing. I have no idea what her game is but I doubt China will suddenly invade Taiwan over it. They still don't want a war with the US.

Trollheart · 08-02-2022, 12:18 PM

They're talking about "targeted military action": cyber attacks on Taiwan? On US interests there? It all sounds a bit like, as the Chinese said themselves, playing with fire. Sounds like she's being provocative. And Biden was against it? Has he no power over his ****ing people at all? Can you imagine that happening under Der Trump? Think they'd be able to get away with that? Oh man! I just complimented Mister Orange! GAAAAHHHH!!

music_collector · 08-02-2022, 12:25 PM

It looks like Scott Adams has his take on the war in his latest Dilbert comic.

rubber soul · 08-02-2022, 12:30 PM

Biden is the President, not the King, and anyway, what can he do to stop her, take away her toys? She's probably nearing retirement anyway and she's in a very safe liberal district so she won't get voted out.

Anyway, this isn't the first time we've pissed off China and it won't be the last. I'd be more concerned with China helping Putin than Taiwan getting overthrown to be honest.

music_collector · 08-02-2022, 12:34 PM

Does Pelosi have any power to do anything while she's there?

rubber soul · 08-02-2022, 12:40 PM

Not really. All she can really be is an independent diplomat, especially since she's doing this without Biden's blessing.

Trollheart · 08-02-2022, 07:23 PM

I just never understand America. No member of the govt here or in the UK or I imagine in Europe could go do something that is against the wishes, orders or without the sanction of the top guy and not get into trouble, yet Pelosi can go against her boss and do what she likes, even if it rattles the sabre? Or is Biden allowing her to do it as a sort of plausible senility, sorry deniability?

rubber soul · 08-03-2022, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I just never understand America. No member of the govt here or in the UK or I imagine in Europe could go do something that is against the wishes, orders or without the sanction of the top guy and not get into trouble, yet Pelosi can go against her boss and do what she likes, even if it rattles the sabre? Or is Biden allowing her to do it as a sort of plausible senility, sorry deniability?

First of all, Biden isn't Pelosi's boss. If Biden was the boss, we'd get a lot more stuff accomplished wouldn't have we. And, really, if Trump actually was the boss, the US might not even be here, pathetic as we are at the moment.

Anyway, we have a system where the branches are separated, thus, the Congress, even if it is dominated by the same party, isn't beholden to the President's whims. Maybe it's different with a Parliamentary Government which is by design a one party rule, but here, the Speaker or Senate Leader or even some obscure congressman can do anything he/she wants politically and the President can't do much about it except complain a bit.

07-30-2022, 05:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Glad to hear it. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-02-2022, 12:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	As Americans, what are your opinions on Pelosi's visit to Taiwan? In the wake of the Russian invasion, is this not just poking the bear? They feared China might intervene if they took sides (hah) in the conflict, yet here they are basically mooning them and saying go on, do your worst. Seems ***ing crazy to me. I mean, there was no need for her to go to Taiwan, and she knew it was going to rile up China, so, you know, are they trying* to get us all killed? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-02-2022, 12:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	They're talking about "targeted military action": cyber attacks on Taiwan? On US interests there? It all sounds a bit like, as the Chinese said themselves, playing with fire. Sounds like she's being provocative. And Biden was against it? Has he no power over his ***ing people at all? Can you imagine that happening under Der Trump? Think they'd be able to get away with that? Oh man! I just complimented Mister Orange! GAAAAHHHH!! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

08-02-2022, 07:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	I just never understand America. No member of the govt here or in the UK or I imagine in Europe could go do something that is against the wishes, orders or without the sanction of the top guy and not get into trouble, yet Pelosi can go against her boss and do what she likes, even if it rattles the sabre? Or is Biden allowing her to do it as a sort of plausible senility, sorry deniability? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-02-2022, 12:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	It looks like Scott Adams has his take on the war in his latest Dilbert comic.

08-02-2022, 12:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	Does Pelosi have any power to do anything while she's there?