jwb

Tate and Peterson, whatever you think of them, are speaking to the problems of young men who are for the most part ignored by the left. That is largely why they are so successful. Even if you don't like the answers they provide, who is the leftist alternative? Or do you just reject the questions they're trying to answer altogether?

It's like people mock the self help **** yet 90% of it is more useful than anything they could possibly offer themselves as advice.

SGR

Yup, hit the nail on the head. This was partly what I was getting at with my initial question. Young men do not get the consideration, attention, and concern that young women do, at least in regards to media coverage or public outreach campaigns (besides military recruitment). Young men face their own problems. The right-wing solutions to these problems are often ridiculous, but there's not really an equivalent counterbalance to it on the left. Until there are sensible alternatives, expect young men to gravitate towards these outlandish characters because at the very least, these guys are speaking to them and their concerns and issues.

I hardly know anything about Tate, but from what I've gathered he's a red-pill type. There's kernels of truth, in some instances, through all that smoke, but if we're being honest, Peterson's tired trope of "cleaning your room" is a better starting point than anything Tate likely prescribes.

jwb

Can I be honest? I also think inherently men are going to look up to the idea of having a Haram of 20 bitches and a Bugatti. It's like the pinnacle of success in the society we live in. Or rather having the ability to if you wanted to.

WWWP

He was acquitted

And no, I was never offended, OH was offended that I defended mourning celebrities in general. If you’re gonna call me out at least get your facts straight.

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WWWP

Also lol @ young men looking up to dorky jorpy and his weepings

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jwb

When I got into him the whole bootstraps message was the first time I ever entertained the idea of self help **** and it's not even that he had specific advice that was useful but that general mentality of trying to take control is what felt more useful.

SGR

Sure, but this is like a teenage boy's or a frat boy's perception of what masculinity is and should be - or what success as a man looks like.

It should be focused more on confidence, ambition, self-care, honor, integrity, and discipline. Less of a focus on materialism/sex and more of a focus on character and developing your potential and talent to its fullest.

I know a fair amount of dudes - friends of mine - who haven't even sorted out their **** yet. Still living with their parents, chose ****ty college majors (this is perhaps substance for a different discussion), have to pay back a lot of money etc. Before you worry about the fancy car and women, you gotta handle your business. In my experience, women aren't typically into dudes that they have to mother.

jwb

That's why I said the last line. The ability is the key, not the specific goal. You can ridicule the aesthetic itself as superficial or childish but ultimately it's just a clear and grotesque display of being at the top of the sort of "dominance heirarchy" Peterson preaches about. The entire point is distinguishing yourself from the vast hoards of other men through one or another type of high status.

I think in part the obsession with things like women and materialism is because it's an obsession with tangible results. Said results provide a clear-cut motivation and also a way to track whether you are actually making any progress.

The Batlord

You're a perfect example of the public being highly susceptible to this **** cause you're an edgy 14-year-old moron. If you think any of these manosphere dickheads have anything valuable to say to men then you should go sit in a corner and let the rest of us talk.

Yeah see you're a hypocrite. You'll call yourself a feminist but when it's someone you fangirl over then all of a sudden rape being hard to prove in court ceases to matter.

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jwb

you literally bring nothing to the table other than a half witted attempt to try to brow beat me into submission and then you tell me I'm the one with nothing to say who should be quiet, lol. You are toxic masculinity without the masculinity.