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View Poll Results: Is it ok to talk to younger people here about music?
Yes of course 5 45.45%
No it's creepy 0 0%
Yes as long as it remains only about music 4 36.36%
Don't care 2 18.18%
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Old 01-30-2023, 02:10 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Well in fairness I didn't say it was the ONLY point, and also, I didn't necessarily say it was about censorship. I said it was about the suppression of knowledge, which it is. Well, the suppression of the will I guess really; they don't, so far as I can remember, want people to read ANY books, not just the "approved ones", as reading leads to thought and can lead to questioning and then action. There may be other themes in it, I'm not denying that, but the main theme is about control, rigid state control over what people think and how they perceive the world. Just like Orwell, though admittedly not as well written at all.
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Old 01-30-2023, 02:30 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Well in fairness I didn't say it was the ONLY point, and also, I didn't necessarily say it was about censorship. I said it was about the suppression of knowledge, which it is. Well, the suppression of the will I guess really; they don't, so far as I can remember, want people to read ANY books, not just the "approved ones", as reading leads to thought and can lead to questioning and then action. There may be other themes in it, I'm not denying that, but the main theme is about control, rigid state control over what people think and how they perceive the world. Just like Orwell, though admittedly not as well written at all.
I think it's also important to keep in mind that the book was written in response to McCarthyism.
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Old 01-30-2023, 03:04 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Well I didn't know that. I'm sure, as I say, it has many themes, but to be honest as I said censorship is not the one that jumps out at me. It's not like they're saying you can read these books but not these; no books are allowed (if I'm remembering it correctly, been a long time) so I see it as more a state control sort of thing, like the way the Nazis tried to have control over every aspect of the Germans' lives, and the way some states are heading, or trying to head, now.
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Old 01-30-2023, 03:16 PM   #135 (permalink)
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Totalitarian censorship is still censorship.

More of the book is dedicated to showing how obsessed the characters are with other media and commodities than burning books, which is why I see "tv bad" as the driving theme of the novel. It definitely smells like the jumping off point for pretty much everything else in the novel too.
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Won't someone please think of the poor TVs!
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Old 01-30-2023, 03:47 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Totalitarian censorship is still censorship.

More of the book is dedicated to showing how obsessed the characters are with other media and commodities than burning books, which is why I see "tv bad" as the driving theme of the novel. It definitely smells like the jumping off point for pretty much everything else in the novel too.
Fair point.
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Old 08-16-2023, 10:10 PM   #139 (permalink)
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