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Old 11-10-2008, 07:31 PM   #61 (permalink)
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anyone got any links that will work on mac?
The last few ive tried have been incompatible.
I could try and sort you a few if you like. Can't be too sure if they'll work though. Worth a try eh. I'll PM you some links in the near future, see how they go

Any chance you might continue this thread Urban? I'd be pretty interested to see what you think of the Infotainment Scan and Middle Class Revolt in particular (two of my personal favourites, I'm told they're not all that big with a lot of Fall fans though)
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:14 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Cheers that would be fantastic.

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Old 11-11-2008, 09:17 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Any chance you might continue this thread Urban? I'd be pretty interested to see what you think of the Infotainment Scan and Middle Class Revolt in particular (two of my personal favourites, I'm told they're not all that big with a lot of Fall fans though)
Most Fall fans I know of quite like Infotainment Scan.

Did you know it's their biggest selling album to date?
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:52 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Most Fall fans I know of quite like Infotainment Scan.

Did you know it's their biggest selling album to date?
Wasn't it the only one to break the top 10 in the album charts or something? It's an immense album, definitely one of their best in my opinion (music just doesn't get much better than Service if truth be told)
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:06 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Digging the first album right now, it's solid. It's a shitload of songs though and it starts to get boring as the album goes on. Love 'It's the New Thing' though.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:24 AM   #66 (permalink)
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The Fall's new album Imperial Wax Solvent is an excellent album. They certainly don't sound like a band that is on it's 45th album. A lot of their albums are hit and miss propositions and their best work is singles or on EPs.

The Fall has basically doing variations of the same agit-prop musical theme for thirty years, but the band's music remains vital because what they do is highly stylized and completely unique. I really love the Fall but a non-stop diet of Mark E. Smith's jaded free association lyrics can become mind numbing.

The Fall is important to the history Manchester music scene as the Joy Division, Stone Roses or Oasis, but is rarely acknowledge for their contributions to the Manchester sound.

I think most of their earliest work on Rough Trade Records is their most immediate and inspiring. I first encountered the Fall's music when a bought their 7" Totally Wired single in 1979 at the recommendation of Mike Dreese the owner a living room sized store that sold collectors comics and imported punk rock music in Boston. I was hooked there wasn't really another group doing what the Fall did, and there still isn't.

The best collection of the Fall's early music on Rough Trade is Totally Wired- the Rough Trade Anthology. The Rough Trade Anthology pulls together a lot of the earliest Fall singles, choice album cuts and some of their rarer EPs like Slates. There are some early Fall songs like Leave the Capitol, Prole Art Threat and Middle Mass that are forgotten gems and hard to find.
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Verdict: As all my time as a fan of The Fall , I have never EVER seen a Fall fan say a single bad word about this E.P, and I hate to sound like a broken record but the E.P. is an absolute belter recorded when the band were on top form. I mean it comes slap bang in the middle between Grotesque & Hex Enduction Hour , easily the bands 2 best albums. The only duffer on this E.P. is 'Older Lover' but even then it's more because the record is of such high quality rather than the song itself being awful , it's just an average song surrounded by greatness.
I'm not even going to hesitate giving this.....
10/10
The original 10" vinyl EP of Slates had an awesome sound. Some of the remixes of done in 90s to the songs sound too tame. Slates is still my favorite Fall release and the music on Slates improves with repeated listening.
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Great thread! Looking forward to the next instalment. Also, Gavin B. is absolutely right about the sound on the original vinyl of 'Slates' being superior. It's a fantastic record and definitely one of my favourites from The Fall (there are many...)
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Can't believe a whole year has passed since I updated this.

Bend Sinister coming up soon.
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Bend Sinister - Beggars Banquet - 29 September 1986

Album Tracklisting: R.O.D. / Dktr Faustus / Shoulder Pads 1 / Mr Pharmacist / "U.S. 80's-90's" / Terry Waite Sez / Riddler! / Shoulder Pads 2

CD Extras: Living Too Late / Auto Tech Pilot*

*Each format had different bonus songs , I'm going by the CD version for this.

The album was released in the United States as 'The Domesday Pay-Off Triad Plus' and also included the 'Hey! Luciani' & 'There's A Ghost In My House' singles as additional extras.

Band Line Up: Mark E. Smith - Vocals , Tapes / Brix Smith – Vocals, Guitar, Keyboards / Craig Scanlon – Guitars / Simon Rogers – Keyboards, Guitars / Steve Hanley – Guitars , Bass / Simon Wolstencroft – Drums, Percussion / Paul Hanley – Drums ('Dktr Faustus' & 'Living Too Late' only)

Critique: So where do you go on from your most successful & critically acclaimed album to date?
Well if you're Mark E Smith you get back together with the main person who helped you create that success in producer John Leckie and promptly spend the entire recording time arguing with him. Smith was annoyed that Leckie wanted to bombard the album with 'psychedelic shit' , Leckie was annoyed because Smith wanted to remaster the entire album from a muddy sounding copied cassette of the album he was listening to in his walkman thus burying all his production. Needless to say neither man looks back at this particular album with any fondness.
You can really hear the tension between the two men in the songs of this album. On the one hand you have the atmospheric tracks such as R.O.D. & Gross Chapel - GB Grenadiers with their echoey guitars reminiscent of The Bunnymen or dare I say it U2 , which sound like some of the most mature songs The Fall had ever written up till this point.
On the other hand you have the garage rock that Smith knows & loves so well. Bournemouth Runner after a slow doomy beginning launches into a 60s bubblegum pop song. As well as that there's a killer cover version of The Other Half's Mr Pharmacist which Smith really makes his own.
Brix Smith has much less of a role here as she did in previous albums although she does contribute backing vocals most notably on Dktr Faustus & Terry Waite Sez. While not being the most classic Fall songs they do sum up nicely what the mid 80s Brix era Fall was about.
There are also a couple of oddities on this album. The first being 'U.S. 80's-90's' A song about Smith having some trouble with Boston immigration. No matter how much I hear this song i'm convinced it's a piss take of the Art Of Noise , I've never seen anything to suggest that but it sounds like a complete rip off , and I can't imagine Smith enjoying a band that has someone like Paul Morley involved somehow.
The other oddity is Shoulder Pads 1 & 2 (Shoulder Pads 2 is just a reprise) a lovely bouncy pop song that heavily borrows from the unlikeliest of sources. Keep reading & you'll see.

Songs You Need:

R.O.D. - Interesting choice for an album opener , it doesn't so much grab you in, It sort of entices you in with some lovely jangly guitar work and THEN hits you

Dktr Faustus - Decent Brix era song where you can hear her repeatedly shouting out 'FAUST BANANA , FAUST BANANA , FAUST BANANA' over & over again , if thats what turns you on.

Shoulder Pads 1 - A catchy addictive pop song that totally rips off the theme tune to 'Are You Being Served'. I mean how can that NOT be a highlight of an album.

Mr Pharmacist - It's around this time that Smith would put a cover version on every Fall album , and this is probably one of the best he ever did.

Gross Chapel - GB Grenadiers - This is one of my favourite songs by The Fall , it's just dripping in atmosphere. Windswept is what this song sounds like to me. You could almost imagine the band doing a video of this on some freezing cold moor somewhere.

Terry Waite Sez - Short & sweet song mostly written by Brix about the famous hostage. Terry Waite's brother actually phoned up the record company & asked for a copy of the lyrics in case it had a clue as to where he was being kept.

Bournemouth Runner - More old school 60s garage Rock n Roll , I can never get enough of The Fall doing this kind of stuff


Verdict: Hated by Smith , hated by the producer , hated by critics , even hated by some fans. It would seem Bend Sinister really doesn't have a lot going for it. In fact I ignored it for a long time for exactly this reason. Bend Sinister does take a while to grow on you but once you get it there's plenty on offer on this album. On what would have been Side One on the original album there isn't a single bad track. It's the 2nd half of the album where things begin to fall apart. I'm not sure why Living Too Late was released as a single as it has filler track written all over it. Other low points are Riddler! & Auto Tech Pilot which are so forgettable I can't even remember what they sound like even though I only heard them about 20 minutes ago. The cassette version of the album had a live version of City Hobgoblins , I would have much rather had that instead to be honest.
Bend Sinister is a curious album to rate because personally I think the better songs on the album are better than anything on Nations Saving Grace , however the second half of the album despite having a couple of good tunes doesn't come anywhere close to being as good as anything on that album.
Originally I wanted to give this album a high score but the poor second half of the album means I have to drop that. So think of it as me giving the first half of the album 9/10 and the second half of the album 5/10 , giving it an average score of....

7/10
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