i dont know man, it's super unfair comparison but dude nas made illmatic when he was what-17?

nas sure as hell wasn't rapping about eating candy and whatknot.

Conceptually speaking i think most "good" rap releases fair as strongly as anything tylers put out.

Well I'm not talking age here, and Nas did talk about bitches with beepers and sneakers as well. At least candy doesn't pay poor asian children .3 cents a day. I personally would put Tyler's conceptual narratives higher (on the standard of having a fairly coherent/clear storyline and use of conceptual tools like symbols and characters as well as being more interesting) above so-called concept rap albums like Kendrick Lamaar's album or Twisted Fantasy.

I don't know man. I really don't hear the underlying narrative or symbolism your referring to. You may be right, however. The only thing that comes to mind when trying to think what you may be speaking of is the psychiatrist interludes from bastard, and those just seemed rather naive.

Good discussion though, time for some sleep :thumb:

Not amazing, but there is more that I like compared to what I don't like here.

wait you think tylers charecters and storylines are better than kendricks O.O whats your beef against kendrck lol

That I could listen to The Predator and get the same content from an MC with more personality. Of course it will be a lot more aggressive and less ridden with guilt and personal turmoil (on the surface) but it's not a huge leap. I"m ragging on the guy but I do like Tyler more. Kendrick probably has more technical skill, but as far as matters in wordplay and content go, I just like Tyler more, I think it's a little fresher even though Sparky did point out that Keith has already touched base on a lot of these things.

Gah, I was fully following you until you said Tyler beat Kanye and Kendrick. Still, I am glad in a way that there are still plenty of people who find him as fresh as we all did in the Yonkers era. My love for Tyler may have only lasted until I noticed his more attractive friends standing behind him but I don't have any particular desire to see him die out because everyone else has moved on as well.

Like I said, Kendrick definitely has actual rapping skills down better than most, and Kanye is a very interesting character (though his rap style is nothing incredibly unique (though in many cases neither is Tyler's)); i guess it just comes down to me digging the scene more in a sense. Not like the crowds and the moshing and their whole fanbase image, but more of his aesthetic and his style surrounding that aesthetic.

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ok i understand you now, pretty much you think Kendrick is better but you enjoy tyler the creator more?