The Official OFWGKTA thread

adidasss · 05-19-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

You're assuming that everyone agrees on which is which though. Problem is they don't.

And this is why we should be able to get into a dialog. My issue with your post was that you apparently dismiss anyone's right to be critical of other people's art. And which is precisely the point of T&S's post. Yes, anyone has a right to make art, and anyone is entitled to criticise it, in this particular case, because they feel it propagates hate and intolerance and of which the majority of people seem to turn a blind eye, ignoring the possible, or rather, probable effects such art creates.

djchameleon · 05-19-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Yes, anyone has a right to make art, and anyone is entitled to criticise it, in this particular case, because they feel it propagates hate and intolerance and of which the majority of people seem to turn a blind eye, ignoring the possible, or rather, probable effects such art creates.

The effects that the art creates comes down to the user/listener who in turns listens to it and interprets it in their own way. People aren't mindless drones that hear some lyrics and then want to go out and act on those lyrics.

adidasss · 05-19-2011, 08:27 AM

Some people are. Some people are idiots with a minimal capacity for critical thought, who might actually find justification for their prejudice in what they hear on their stereos. It's called herd mentality.

djchameleon · 05-19-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Some people are. Some people are idiots with a minimal capacity for critical thought, who might actually find justification for their prejudice in what they hear on their stereos. It's called herd mentality.

Are you basically saying that artists should limit their creations based off of those people?

adidasss · 05-19-2011, 08:43 AM

I think artists shouldn't spread hate and prejudice. :/

djchameleon · 05-19-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I think artists shouldn't spread hate and prejudice. :/

the hate and prejudice that you are interpreting is only what you are getting from the lyrics while another listener isn't getting that same thing from it.

You may feel that's what the lyrics are representing and that's what the artist means by said lyrics but until you hear from the artist their reasoning behind the lyrics then I think it's a bit hasty to make that assumption

adidasss · 05-19-2011, 08:55 AM

Yes, let's all make a collective effort to decipher what this master of satire actually meant with his reply to the T&S post:

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If Tegan And Sara Need Some Hard Dick, Hit Me Up!

I'm sure he didn't actually mean to imply that what any lesbian really needs is a good hard dick. No, what he meant was actually to use this cliche to make fun of the stereotype. He was actually being subversive, amirte? My God, there's no end to this kid's intelligence...

djchameleon · 05-19-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Yes, let's all make a collective effort to decipher what this master of satire actually meant with his reply to the T&S post:

I'd like to hear what you think he means by that.

**Janszoon** · 05-19-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

And this is why we should be able to get into a dialog. My issue with your post was that you apparently dismiss anyone's right to be critical of other people's art. And which is precisely the point of T&S's post. Yes, anyone has a right to make art, and anyone is entitled to criticise it, in this particular case, because they feel it propagates hate and intolerance and of which the majority of people seem to turn a blind eye, ignoring the possible, or rather, probable effects such art creates.

You and I are in a dialogue right now, so that should make you happy.

I don't dismiss anyone's right to be critical of other people's art. I just think Tegan & Sara are "taking a stand" in an incredibly shallow way which deserves a bit of mocking.

~~Dirty~~ · 05-19-2011, 12:32 PM

Personally I don't see a reason for mocking their view... They are gay women, I'd expect them to be offended by a large amount of Tyler's lyrics talking about 'faggots' and raping women. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with their view, honestly. If someone was getting national recognition and rapped about 'killing niggers' I imagine the black response would be highly critical and the black community would probably going apeshit about it. But I doubt anyone would mock them.

05-19-2011, 08:27 AM	#373 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Some people are. Some people are idiots with a minimal capacity for critical thought, who might actually find justification for their prejudice in what they hear on their stereos. It's called herd mentality. __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

05-19-2011, 08:43 AM	#375 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	I think artists shouldn't spread hate and prejudice. :/ __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

05-19-2011, 12:32 PM	#380 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	Personally I don't see a reason for mocking their view... They are gay women, I'd expect them to be offended by a large amount of Tyler's lyrics talking about 'faggots' and raping women. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with their view, honestly. If someone was getting national recognition and rapped about 'killing niggers' I imagine the black response would be highly critical and the black community would probably going apeshit about it. But I doubt anyone would mock them.