justice just bores me. therefore i don't waste my time listening to them. in your opinion they should be given all the credit for "establishing" the electro-house scene. i don't buy that. if it is so, then props to them. they still bore me, and i think it's unfortunate that many people consider them the be all and end all of electro and will miss out on more exciting djs and producers

They really should be. Before Waters of Nazareth was released this whole "scene" was just a loose association of similar-sounding artists, most of whom were typically grouped in with Dance-Punk at the time. Electro House didn't exist until Justice started making music, it wasn't even until late 06/early 07 (more early 07, probably) that people even began calling it what it is.

I'd say that as far as "essential" Electro House producers go, Justice are definitely #1. Then I guess MSTRKFT, Digitalism, Boys Noize, and Simian Mobile Disco. Everyone else is just trying to be one of them.

Justice are awful and I seem to remember Digitalism getting stick for being Daft Punk clones. Justice are far more guilty. Their music is so average it defies belief. The Herbaliser and Freestylers have been making far more interesting music than Justice over the last few years.

I cannot think of anybody within my music circles proclaiming that Justice are a great band.

I seriously do not see what the fuss is all about.

Idealism sounds a lot more like Daft Punk than Cross does.

Lots of producers have been making more interesting music than Justice, I don't see why you would mention a pair of 90s Hip-Hop and breaks groups, both of whom have absolutely nothing to do with what Justice & co. are doing, as particularly innovative compared to Justice?

I am mentioning these bands because it falls under the umbrella of Electronica of which Justice fall under. I also happen to think that both of these bands are still trying to bring something new to the table. Justice are quite possibly the worst band I have heard for years. I am not trying to antagonise you honestly. I cannot find ANY redeeming feature in their music at all. I know it sounds concieted and I apologise for that but Justice are no better than any given electro band I have heard for a long while.

This piece of music is better than anything Justice has put out. You are saying that Electro House did'nt exist. Forget bands. The genre is nearly 30 years old.

Well next we can compare them to 808 State, because hey, they're both Electronic groups, right? No offense, but you seem to be grabbing at straws here comparing Justice to any "innovative" Electronic group you can think of.

I really don't see how you could dislike Justice and then find the Propellerheads interesting? "Bang On!" sounds like it could've been made by half the groups involved in this scene. All they did was take a fairly typical rock song and add a 303 synth. Honestly, with all the early 90s Acid House influence going on in Electro House right now, I wouldn't be surprised if at this point next year groups like Justice and Digitalism were making tracks just like this (Simian Mobile Disco are already halfway there, all they need to do is raise the BPM and Attack Decay Sustain Release would sound like any 90s Big Beat album).

Or are you trying to say that the Propellerheads DID make Electro House and that it's 30 years old? I'm not sure what you even mean by bringing them up.

What tosh. I'd say Stuart Price was already there before Darkdancer came out.

I'd also agree with Enemy and say DIOYY offer a more in-depth listening experience. As does this 15 year old classic...

Guys, I never said that Justice were the first group ever to use gated disco samples and distortion, just that Justice were the ones that made Electro House, as we know it today, as popular as it is.

Also, I still think DIOYY are terrible, and why are we comparing Justice to techno now? :confused:

hey i dropped out of this awhile back. interesting discussion though

And it has nothing to do with H&LA. Maybe we should change the thread name to "electro-poseur gets his ass handed to him on a platter"...?:yeah: