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s_k 05-17-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1054819)
Everyone I know with a Mac has never had a problem with it.

My experience is that they just live with the problem.
I have had plenty of problems with macs. When I google them, no one even asks about the problem.

Macs are just computers too. They do hang up, they do get slow, they do **** up with some software.
By the way, I have been working on a PC running Mac OS. It ran beautifully. Your PC might be able to do it too and then it's just the same as a mac :)

CanwllCorfe 05-17-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1054926)
I think that did help, and I think it might have convinced me to stay with what I have now (A PC). None of the pros about Macs really make me want to change to a Mac except for how small and portable they are, even at 18 inches, they're so much more compact.
I think I'm jut going to take a lot of time and look around at some stores.

I'm glad it helped! :D And yeah I'd just say to check em all out and whatnot. Just see what you like best and such forth.

Arya Stark 05-17-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1054943)
My experience is that they just live with the problem.
I have had plenty of problems with macs. When I google them, no one even asks about the problem.

Macs are just computers too. They do hang up, they do get slow, they do **** up with some software.
By the way, I have been working on a PC running Mac OS. It ran beautifully. Your PC might be able to do it too and then it's just the same as a mac :)

Well I don't really want the software, I'm more worried with what the computer does as a whole. I mean, if the case were to be that people were just living with the problems, it would mean that they're able to live with the problems.
The issues that I've had with my computer are stunting its ability to work at full potential, so I would imagine that the problems Macs have if their owners are dealing with them aren't as severe... and this would be one of my reasons for switching.

Freebase Dali 05-17-2011 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1055018)
Well I don't really want the software, I'm more worried with what the computer does as a whole. I mean, if the case were to be that people were just living with the problems, it would mean that they're able to live with the problems.
The issues that I've had with my computer are stunting its ability to work at full potential, so I would imagine that the problems Macs have if their owners are dealing with them aren't as severe... and this would be one of my reasons for switching.

This isn't meant to be an insult or anything, but with PCs, the problem usually exists between the chair and the keyboard... meaning, a vast majority of the problems PC-users have are preventable user error. It's not so much an inherent limitation in the PC-based hardware and software as much as (usually) a lack of knowledge. Fortunately--for a lot of people--Mac makes their systems practically dummy-proof, but there's a tradeoff between usability (and as a result, reliability) vs. high price and a lot less options.
Personally, I think a person may be better served spending the effort necessary to educate themselves about how to properly operate and maintain a PC, versus spending the money for a solution that voids that need at the cost of control and options.
Sure, there are situations where a Mac may be preferable in a professional field where specific needs are met, without the extra baggage... but for a home user who surfs the web, listens to music, and maybe does some photo editing and word processing, there really isn't much justification for switching to a Mac unless the user really doesn't want to have to think about what they're doing on a computer, and doesn't mind spending the money.

That's pretty much what I think it ultimately comes down to.

s_k 05-18-2011 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 1055018)
Well I don't really want the software, I'm more worried with what the computer does as a whole. I mean, if the case were to be that people were just living with the problems, it would mean that they're able to live with the problems.

The only difference between a mac and a PC is the software ;).
Yes they look fancy, but inside it's really just a computer with standard memory, standard cables, a standard harddisk. The same stuff you have in your computer. Especially the last years as Apple finally found out that their own processors sucked balls. They've now started using Intel processors. This meant there we some PC's that were so close to being a Mac, hardware-wise, that it's really easy to Run Mac OS (Apple's OS, like Microsoft has Windows) on them.
Apple would love you to believe that their hardware is any different, but it's really exactly (and I mean exactly) the same hardware, with a little apple printed on it. Only for their memory you pay 600 dollars while for the same amount of memory and the same brand and type (!!!) of memory at a regular store, so not an apple store, you pay 80 dollars. And I'm not exaggerating. These are really, literally, the figures in the Netherlands.

So, bottomline: A Mac is just a computer that runs another operating system. That's the only difference there is. And that's the whole reason you cannot play all games on it and that's the whole reason a lot of hardware won't work on it.

s_k 05-18-2011 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1055083)
t with PCs, the problem usually exists between the chair and the keyboard... meaning, a vast majority of the problems PC-users have are preventable user error.

True. If your PC sucks, buy a mac.
But do realise it's you that makes it suck, not the PC.
The PC is just giving you a bit of freedom to **** stuff up whereas a mac doesn't.
A friend of mine managed to **** up his brilliantly working PC in less than a month. I reinstalled it, ran perfectly, ****ed it up again.
He now bought a Mac and I'm glad he did.
But there's not use in buying a Mac if you PC does what you want. If it doesn't, sometimes it's broken, but Macs go bust too, but most of the time it's the user who fails. It is really that simple.

Arya Stark 05-18-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1055011)
I'm glad it helped! :D And yeah I'd just say to check em all out and whatnot. Just see what you like best and such forth.

Thank youu [=

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1055083)
This isn't meant to be an insult or anything, but with PCs, the problem usually exists between the chair and the keyboard... meaning, a vast majority of the problems PC-users have are preventable user error. It's not so much an inherent limitation in the PC-based hardware and software as much as (usually) a lack of knowledge. Fortunately--for a lot of people--Mac makes their systems practically dummy-proof, but there's a tradeoff between usability (and as a result, reliability) vs. high price and a lot less options.
Personally, I think a person may be better served spending the effort necessary to educate themselves about how to properly operate and maintain a PC, versus spending the money for a solution that voids that need at the cost of control and options.
Sure, there are situations where a Mac may be preferable in a professional field where specific needs are met, without the extra baggage... but for a home user who surfs the web, listens to music, and maybe does some photo editing and word processing, there really isn't much justification for switching to a Mac unless the user really doesn't want to have to think about what they're doing on a computer, and doesn't mind spending the money.

That's pretty much what I think it ultimately comes down to.

I think I can pretty much understand where you're coming from.
I mean, I don't have THAT many problems with my computer, the ones I do have are pretty annoying, but definitely not my fault. ;P
It's kind of old for a Dell, so it needs to be replaced, as I'm sure you know, more often that a Mac would have to be.
The problems are not fixable ones, they're ones I have to deal with, so I would rather just replace the computer completely (in this case, with another PC).

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1055166)
The only difference between a mac and a PC is the software ;).
Yes they look fancy, but inside it's really just a computer with standard memory, standard cables, a standard harddisk. The same stuff you have in your computer. Especially the last years as Apple finally found out that their own processors sucked balls. They've now started using Intel processors. This meant there we some PC's that were so close to being a Mac, hardware-wise, that it's really easy to Run Mac OS (Apple's OS, like Microsoft has Windows) on them.
Apple would love you to believe that their hardware is any different, but it's really exactly (and I mean exactly) the same hardware, with a little apple printed on it. Only for their memory you pay 600 dollars while for the same amount of memory and the same brand and type (!!!) of memory at a regular store, so not an apple store, you pay 80 dollars. And I'm not exaggerating. These are really, literally, the figures in the Netherlands.

So, bottomline: A Mac is just a computer that runs another operating system. That's the only difference there is. And that's the whole reason you cannot play all games on it and that's the whole reason a lot of hardware won't work on it.

I don't believe their hardware is different.
Something that matters IS the build for me. I'm a college student, and lugging around this huge 18 inch screen PC that doesn't work unless it's plugged in has definitely held me back. While my friends (PC users and Mac users) are walking around easily, throwing their computers in their bags and going off with them, I'm not able to do that as easily.
So the size as well as the build is DEFINITELY important to me.

And before anyone blames me for having chosen my laptop, it was a gift.
I got it from a family member and it had been two years old but had never been used.
If any of you have been to college, I'm sure you know how much of a burden that takes off your back financially.

s_k 05-18-2011 11:45 AM

If it's build you're looking for, get yourself a nice IBM or Dell Business laptop. I would advise second hand. They're really expensive, new.
It's that simple really :).

Can I just ask, what brand is your current laptop?

Arya Stark 05-18-2011 01:57 PM

It's a Dell Inspiron 1721.
I'm really attached to it regardless of all of its problems. ;P But I need something a little smaller and a little newer.

s_k 05-18-2011 02:05 PM

That's really not at all a bad laptop. It was very expensive too for a consumer laptop.
It shouldn't be problematic at all.


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