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Guybrush 07-18-2013 03:21 PM

http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2...arte-d-203.jpg

Right now, there is a young Norwegian woman imprisoned in Dubai. She's been charged with consumption of alcohol without a license and for having sex outside the marriage.

So what's her story? She was on a work trip and was out partying with her colleagues. She woke up from being raped in a hotel room, but managed to escape. She ran to the reception and told them to call the police. The police came and put her in prison. Being Norwegian, the thought she could get imprisoned for reporting her getting raped never occurred to her.

This happened about four months ago and she's still there. She just got her sentence, one year and four months.

Edit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marte_Dalelv_rape_incident

Newkie 07-18-2013 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1346651)
http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2...arte-d-203.jpg

Right now, there is a young Norwegian woman imprisoned in Dubai. She's been charged with consumption of alcohol without a license and for having sex outside the marriage.

So what's her story? She was on a work trip and was out partying with her colleagues. She woke up from being raped in a hotel room, but managed to escape. She ran to the reception and told them to call the police. The police came and put her in prison. Being Norwegian, the thought she could get imprisoned for reporting her getting raped never occurred to her.

This happened about four months ago and she's still there. She just got her sentence, one year and four months.

Edit :

Marte Dalelv rape incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obviously from a European/Western perspective it's absolute bull**** and there's barely any reasoning in that sentence, let alone justice.

However- this next comment might cut a bit close to the whole "can any blame be apportioned to the victim" thing because it's down that line of reasoning-but the fact that she was ignorant of the laws in a very different country from her own obviously worked against her. I'm not saying she should be expected to study Sharia Law extensively before her trip, but there are certain aspects of societies like these which I would expect to be almost common knowledge by now, namely their backward stance on rape and women's rights which obviously go hand in hand with deep rooted misogyny and gender bias.

Hopefully justice is done on her appeal, but (from the little of what I've seen on the case) it seems the best she can hope for is to go home after a few months in prison, rather than actually get the perpetrator/(s)? imprisoned themselves. Hardly justice.

Cuthbert 07-18-2013 04:49 PM

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the officers did not believe Dalelv, claiming that she consensually had sex with the man without being married, a crime under Emirati law, which is influenced by the Islamic sharia.
Islamic ideology in promoting rape shocker.

butthead aka 216 07-18-2013 05:02 PM

more reason for me to never travel abroad lol. that sucks and is unfair.


sharia law, what a joke

Cuthbert 07-18-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1346680)
sharia law, what a joke

Not all Muslims are the same of course, it's Islam the ideology that promotes hatred and intolerance etc.

There are peaceful, tolerant Muslims but they aren't following the religion correctly.

This surah is talking about types of women a Muslim man is allowed to have sex with.

Quote:

Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
"Those whom your right hands possess” is referring to women captured in battle, sex slaves.

Dr_Rez 07-18-2013 10:15 PM

Lets not turn this rape into a murder.

Astronomer 07-19-2013 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1346651)
http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2...arte-d-203.jpg

Right now, there is a young Norwegian woman imprisoned in Dubai. She's been charged with consumption of alcohol without a license and for having sex outside the marriage.

So what's her story? She was on a work trip and was out partying with her colleagues. She woke up from being raped in a hotel room, but managed to escape. She ran to the reception and told them to call the police. The police came and put her in prison. Being Norwegian, the thought she could get imprisoned for reporting her getting raped never occurred to her.

This happened about four months ago and she's still there. She just got her sentence, one year and four months.

Edit :

Marte Dalelv rape incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is so awful. Dealing with being raped is possibly one of the hardest and most ****ed-up things ever, not to mention being thrown in jail for it. She's my age, too... scary and sad :(

Guybrush 07-19-2013 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 216 (Post 1346680)
more reason for me to never travel abroad lol. that sucks and is unfair.

Indeed, Dubai is off my list of potential holiday destinations.

Based on this, sharia law seems a mockery of justice.

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Originally Posted by Lateralus (Post 1346830)
That is so awful. Dealing with being raped is possibly one of the hardest and most ****ed-up things ever, not to mention being thrown in jail for it. She's my age, too... scary and sad :(

Yes :( Makes me wish there was more one could do for her. Hopefully the embassy or foreign affairs can get a hold of her and bring her home.

Guybrush 07-19-2013 08:43 AM

Another copy & paste from the other thread follows :

If anyone wants to try and help out Marte Deborah Dalelv who has been imprisoned in Dubai due to her own rape, here are some suggestions to some simple things you can do.

Finally, Marte was also fired by her employer, The One Planet, for her behaviour.

Considering this happened on her business trip, I am horrified that they would not support her like helping her out with legal fees. If I travel abroad on a business trip, I am well insured and assume my employer would help me out should I become the victim of a crime, as any employer should. I sent an email to them. If you want to complain to them, their facebook page is here (though it may be down at the moment) and their twitter is here. You can also send an email to them at the following adress : theone@theone.com

If you want to send them something, but don't know what to write, you can copy and paste this text which was written by Norwegian blogger Gunnar Tjomlid.

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Originally Posted by Tjomlid
Dear Management,

I am shocked and horrified to read that you chose to fire Marte Deborah Dalelv after learning about her arrest in Dubai, March 6th 2013.

Dubai imprisons Norwegian woman who reported rape

I do not know the full details of the events, but whatever happened I can not understand how you could choose to not support her after she had been charged for having «sex outside of marriage» when she reported being raped. We do not know if she’s guilty of perjury, and I do not know if she did anything else stupid or illegal the night before the arrest, but that doesn’t change the situation. You have actively chosen to support a religious fundamentalist regime which condones sexual violence against women, and that is despicable.

You state on your Facebook page that you want to change the world and make it a better place. Well, this is your golden opportunity. I hope you reverse your decision and give Ms Dalelv all the support she needs right now, including covering all her legal costs.

Thank you for listening.

Source for the letter >> THE One – give ‘em hell! | SAKSYNT

edit :

I made a thread dedicated to the Marte Deborah Dalelv rape incident -> http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...-incident.html

Feel free to reply in there!

The Batlord 07-19-2013 10:58 AM

**** Dubai.


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