No I wouldn't call it rape because the situation changed :bonkhead:

Well you implied differently with your use of "changes a little". Implying that there's still an argument for rape to have occured.

Potentially, yes. But not when both parties have agreed because that's stupid. Read my post.

For someone who keeps shouting about gray areas, you're trying to paint things a little black and white right now.

If I am being black and white, it's not purposefully. I'm basing the accusations of rape on those grey areas as was displayed with DWV's post. Obviously it's all based on situation. But I've also said that I agree with your statements just not entirely.

The fact you think that this is somehow wrong sounds like a black and white approach to me.

Ofc, I wouldn't do it if she wasn't comfortable with it, and I definitely wouldn't do that with just anyone. I'm just giving examples and asking questions, that hopefully create some discussion, instead of Frown/Ki banter.

I'm offended that youre offended.

Let me throw out a situation then and we can discuss it further:

My ex and I were drinking, one obviously more drunk, and we had sex that night. Neither said whether they wanted it or not, it just happened. However I know that drinking can be a factor, is that rape? Drinking can alter your judgement therefore having an effect on whether you can say no or yes.

Depends, was he too drunk to form words? If yes: RAPE

Ok.

It's also not a for sure conclusion in all cases so...