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jackhammer 05-30-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 873764)
The Cure?! (Their newer stuff, their old stuff still stands the test of time)

I was merely posting a list of decent British bands regardless of the time frame and of course omitted many bands and tried to give a more up to date (ish) list.

TheCunningStunt 05-30-2010 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 873766)
I was merely posting a list of decent British bands regardless of the time frame and of course omitted many bands and tried to give a more up to date (ish) list.

Using older bands and newish bands is better, if we posted just newer bands, I think we'd lose the 00s. :(

I wonder what the 00s will be remembered for, and I wonder what the 10s will bring.

Violent & Funky 05-30-2010 07:05 PM

Just for gits and shiggles, the British bands in my library (because I'm obviously on the American side):

Arctic Monkeys
The Hives (well European... whatever, same difference)
Refused ^^
Gang of Four
mclusky
Art Brut
Franz Ferdinand ^^
Future of the Left
Super Furry Animals
Jet (they sound British... whatever)
Bloc Party
The Clash

Really not that many. If anybody has some British recommendations based on the above just shoot...

Violent & Funky 05-30-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 873761)
No. Just artists with longevity and not a passing phase :)

Sure, but that wasn't the point of Big3's list, so you missed the point...

TheCunningStunt 05-30-2010 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 873769)
Just for gits and shiggles, the British bands in my library (because I'm obviously on the American side):

Arctic Monkeys
The Hives (well European... whatever, same difference)
Refused ^^
Gang of Four
mclusky
Art Brut
Franz Ferdinand ^^
Future of the Left
Super Furry Animals
Jet (they sound British... whatever)
Bloc Party
The Clash

Really not that many. If anybody has some British recommendations based on the above just shoot...

Band Of Skulls
The Horrors
Frightened Rabbits

Jedey 05-30-2010 07:11 PM

Britain loses points for Amy Winehouse.

Violent & Funky 05-30-2010 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 873771)
Band Of Skulls
The Horrors
Frightened Rabbits

The Horrors look interesting. Thanks!

TheCunningStunt 05-30-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 873775)
The Horrors look interesting. Thanks!

Primary Colours is a great album, it reminds me of The Cure (Disintegration), Joy Division and My Bloody Valentine. You should really enjoy it. :)

Violent & Funky 05-30-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 873778)
Primary Colours is a great album, it reminds me of The Cure (Disintegration), Joy Division and My Bloody Valentine. You should really enjoy it. :)

Lets pretend you didn't compare it to any of those bands and I'll try it... ;)

jackhammer 05-30-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 873770)
Sure, but that wasn't the point of Big3's list, so you missed the point...

What point? The point that American music is seemingly more popular at the moment? It's all opinion simple as that. BTW Jet are Australian and are terrible ;) Try Cog or Karnivool! British music is popular HERE just as American music is POPULAR over there.

If big 3 is saying that American music is in the ascendency then that's fine but I live in Britain and hear British music first and like it too. Just because it doesn't get pushed as much due to financial constraints doesn't mean it's not without merit.

American guitar inspired music is much more focused than ours at the moment but our Electronic music is is on the same par but due to the small niche it caters for, means that it is not as well known yet it's independent too and just as relevant.

Their are merits in all countries music and I acknowledge this but I don't see this from others merely because it's not their kind of music.

I honestly do not give 2 fucks where music comes from. If it's good it's good but what I will do is defend my own countries musical heritage and future. Should I think otherwise?

TheCunningStunt 05-30-2010 07:28 PM

^

Nice to see you saying you live in Britain, in the past you've said you live in ENGLAND. And shunned the Britain thing, although I'm the same. I only live Britain when talking about bands. Primal Scream are just as much my band as someone from Scotland. :D

TheCunningStunt 05-30-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 873781)
Lets pretend you didn't compare it to any of those bands and I'll try it... ;)

Whatever works for ya, but when listening those bands were the first things that sprung to mind, even though there are differences as well. Let me know what you think.

jackhammer 05-30-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 873784)
^

Nice to see you saying you live in Britain, in the past you've said you live in ENGLAND. And shunned the Britain thing, although I'm the same. I only live Britain when talking about bands. Primal Scream are just as much my band as someone from Scotland. :D

I still prefer England as my location but for the sake of comparison I will use GB so when comparing land mass I have used the most possible lol

jackhammer 05-30-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedey (Post 873772)
Britain loses points for Amy Winehouse.

No we struck her off our list ages ago but then she is not the only internationally renowned singer to go loco is she?

Freebase Dali 05-30-2010 07:57 PM

^ True. Brittany Spears balances that equation.

Jedey 05-30-2010 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 873796)
^ True. Brittany Spears balances that equation.

She's a nutter for sure.

Where does Madonna and her phony British accent fit into the equation?

or

Jimi Hendrix an American who found fame in England?

Violent & Funky 05-30-2010 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 873778)
Primary Colours is a great album, it reminds me of The Cure (Disintegration), Joy Division and My Bloody Valentine. You should really enjoy it. :)

Not digging the synthesizer, sorry broseph... :(

TheCunningStunt 05-30-2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 873825)
Not digging the synthesizer, sorry broseph... :(

Aww no :(

That album is great, it took me about 5 listens to get into it. But I really like it. Can't wait to hear their third album.

TheBig3 05-30-2010 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by james44754 (Post 873735)
Ok you get the 50's too.
But the 70's REALLY.
We had loads of british Prog bands.
Loads of british Folk artists.
About 70% of all good punk.
The big hard rock bands like The Who and Led Zeppelin.
We had both Bolan and Bowie.

Can you really argue?

Lets set the record straight. America has been setting up for slaughter anyone and anything getting in their way. Lets roll over some of what the US was putting out in the 1970's:

Marvin Gaye
James Brown
Talking Heads
Frank Zappa
Merle Haggard
Sly & the Family Stone
Bruce Springsteen
Tom Waits
P. Funk
Lynard Skynard
Allman Brothers
Greatful Dead
Chicago
Aerosmith
Van Halen
The Ramones
Kiss
Alice Cooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 873738)
The Smiths
Joy Division
Killing Joke
The Cure
Bauhaus
New Order
Stone Roses
Jesus and Mary Chain
Echo and the Bunnymen
Wire
xtc
Happy Mondays
Arctic Monkeys
Blur
Linton Kwesi Johnson
Massive Attack
Slowdive
Mansun
These New Puritans
Manic Street Preachers
British Sea Power
Aphex Twin
The Editors
Alien Sex Fiend
Fields Of The Nephilim
The Cult


There's just a few for ya.

We can rattle off lists all day long but I still stand by the notion that a country that virtually fits inside Texas and can produce so much innovative and varied music deserves more than a modicum of respect.

It's not about who's better but respect where it's due. Virtually every British poster on this forum likes music from wherever it comes from and respects it but you seem to have this hang up that because some roots of music are from America then that's all that matters. I get the feeling that you don't like British music a whole lot which is your choice but it blinds you to what's out there. Maybe you should open up and give music that is less familiar a chance? It's rewarding.

[withholding to see if I am being called out directly.]

Edit: Holy **** sticks this is about me.

1. how dare you?

2. Who the when? I said something about America owning roots music? Where?

3. Theres nothing rewarding about British music, its measured by the pound =P

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 873744)
Damn you James, if you didn't say anything. No one would've noticed! I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!

We know where Dylan came from. I was getting drunk in Southie or I'd have called you out sooner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 873761)
No. Just artists with longevity and not a passing phase :)

Don't fake the funk. You're swinging for America's mighty jaw.

TheCunningStunt 06-01-2010 05:58 AM

This thread got me thinking about bands of Britain from the 00s. Who are people's favourite British bands from the 00s? (or have made most of their music/impact in the 00s) Anyone care to do a list?

TheBig3 06-01-2010 07:58 AM

I'd say your crowning achievement would be Radiohead (i count them there because they released some albums post Jan 1, 2000).

Arctic Monkies was a really nice addition to the canon and Franz Ferdenand never disappoints.

TheCunningStunt 06-01-2010 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 874335)
I'd say your crowning achievement would be Radiohead (i count them there because they released some albums post Jan 1, 2000).

Arctic Monkies was a really nice addition to the canon and Franz Ferdenand never disappoints.

Are them the only British bands you like?! After that massive list of American bands. You either don't care for much British music or we actually have been THAT poor in the 00s. :(

TheBig3 06-01-2010 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 874336)
Are them the only British bands you like?! After that massive list of American bands. You either don't care for much British music or we actually have been THAT poor in the 00s. :(

No thats what I came up with off the top of my head. But I'm sure theres a cultural divide. I mean a lot of what you guys like isn't that appealing to me.

Stone Roses
The Prodigy
Much of latter day Oasis
Keane
Whatever band did "cash machine"
Snow Patrol

I'm constantly met with brits here and else where who don't get Springsteen and Dave Matthews so its probably a culture thing but it is what it is. If music had a taste, most british music would have a tarty after-taste for me. Too much electronica fused in there, or sappy balladry that just doesn't fly.

Disclaimer: For christ sake this was off the cuff, if you're going to flip out and hold me to this for months, go F.

TheCunningStunt 06-01-2010 08:24 AM

Yeah I don't get Springsteen either. I think my list of British bands for the 00s:

Arctic Monkeys
Band of Skulls
Blood Red Shoes
Editors
Frank Turner
Frightened Rabbits
The Horrors
Kasabian
The Libertines
Manic Street Preacher (even though their best work was in the 90s)
Muse
Stornoway
Villagers

Pretty poor list considering I'm British.



Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 874343)
Disclaimer: For christ sake this was off the cuff, if you're going to flip out and hold me to this for months, go F.

Huh?

TheBig3 06-01-2010 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 874345)
Yeah I don't get Springsteen either. I think my list of British bands for the 00s:

Arctic Monkeys
Band of Skulls
Blood Red Shoes
Editors
Frank Turner
Frightened Rabbits
The Horrors
Kasabian
The Libertines
Manic Street Preacher (even though their best work was in the 90s)
Muse
Stornoway
Villagers

Pretty poor list considering I'm British.

Muse, honestly, should be a point deduction. They are ****ing terrible.

The Libertines had so much promise. Such a sad story.

TheCunningStunt 06-01-2010 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 874370)
Muse, honestly, should be a point deduction. They are ****ing terrible.

The Libertines had so much promise. Such a sad story.

Muse aren't terrible at all, although if someone only listened to their last effort they would think that. Origin of Symmetry and Absolution were great albums.

They did, I think they're gonna record again. 5 years too late though.

Violent & Funky 06-01-2010 12:28 PM

mclusky! mclusky! Future of the Left ain't bad either...

TheBig3 06-01-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 874440)
mclusky! mclusky! Future of the Left ain't bad either...

posts like this kill threads.

what.

the ****.

does that mean?

I'm just guessing its a Muse things but for christs sake, I speak to the immigrant russians better and I don't speak ****ing russian.

TheCunningStunt 06-01-2010 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 874460)
posts like this kill threads.

what.

the ****.

does that mean?

I'm just guessing its a Muse things but for christs sake, I speak to the immigrant russians better and I don't speak ****ing russian.

It means he's stating English bands he liked, since I asked for English bands people liked. He maybe should've quoted my comment but ah well.

Violent & Funky 06-01-2010 01:21 PM

Ehem, please pardon my calamitous error in exchange.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 874308)
This thread got me thinking about bands of Britain from the 00s. Who are people's favourite British bands from the 00s? (or have made most of their music/impact in the 00s) Anyone care to do a list?

It would be a great honor for me to bestow upon you such a manifest:

1. mclusky
2. Future of the Left

The preceding bands are both British, henceforth I listed them. They share lead vocalists, henceforth the association. Carry on with further discourse...

Violent & Funky 06-01-2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 874460)
posts like this kill threads.

what.

the ****.

does that mean?

I'm just guessing its a Muse things but for christs sake, I speak to the immigrant russians better and I don't speak ****ing russian.

They're bands. It wouldn't kill you to Google it or something. I have to do that all the time on here to know what the **** is going on...

TheCunningStunt 06-01-2010 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 874464)
Ehem, please pardon my calamitous error in exchange.



It would be a great honor for me to bestow upon you such a manifest:

1. mclusky
2. Future of the Left

The preceding bands are both British, henceforth I listed them. They share lead vocalists, henceforth the association. Carry on with further discourse...

I got what you meant, so no worries. :)

TheBig3 06-01-2010 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 874466)
They're bands. It wouldn't kill you to Google it or something. I have to do that all the time on here to know what the **** is going on...

I'm sure it wouldn't, my point was most folks aren't going to be as outwardly douchy as I was there, and they won't go googling most times. It was more of a clarification request.

Violent & Funky 06-01-2010 01:36 PM

Listen to mclusky, they're cool!



Listen to Future of the Left, they're groovy!


James 06-01-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 874440)
mclusky! mclusky! Future of the Left ain't bad either...

A Mclusky fan? ****ing awesome! I love them!

midnight rain 06-01-2010 03:11 PM

Reading through this thread, I can see the Brits are extremely defensive about their music scene so I'll try to avoid offending!

I do have to say I prefer American music slightly, especially current music and musice of the last two decades or so. With alternative rock and the emergence of rap then some top quality indie artists, I just think the American music has been a lot more interesting then IMO stale bands like The Libertines which the British seem to focus on a lot. Not to mention I think America is notable for inventing many of the different genres of music (rock, jazz, r&b, rap, country, blues, electronic, etc.) and while genres like rock, r&b, and electronica could be a toss up as to which country does them better, other genres like jazz, rap, country, and blues America seems to have a strong advantage on.

I won't argue that the American music charts has, for the most part, uninspired and unexperimental music. I'm not familiar with British charts but if magazines like the NME are any indication, I would say their popular music is just as unexperimental. My two cents. It is, after all, my opinion.

Live Forever 06-01-2010 03:33 PM

I haven't read this thread much yet, well not at all yet because I just joined this site, but I'll throw in some opinions...

I'm American but I personally think British music kicks the dog **** out of American music for the most - especially in the realm of rock and roll.

Any country that produces the likes of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones, Oasis, Cream, and even "discovered" Jimi Hendrix should hold the all-time crown for best rock music, even if they didn't invent it.

To be frank The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and Oasis as a 3-group unit, I believe is better than any 3-band unit of American bands in any configuration.

Now with that being said, I agree with the above poster who mentions that America has invented most of the best styles of popular and/or well known globally successful artforms.

To be even more specific, African-Americans (I am one as well) are really responsible for the vast majority of influential/successful styles (rock, blues, jazz, r&b, etc. etc.) so if we want to have a fair discussion - shouldn't this be African-Americans vs. Brits? That's a music better fight since for every Lennon there is a Michael Jackson and for every Bowie there is a Stevie Wonder :) For every Morissey there is a Prince, and for every Elvis there is a Chuck Berry...

The list could go on, hehehe, but you get my point!

The Brits win for rock history, Northern Soul, and most of the modern good ****,

But it all start in America, specifically Black America, so hehehe who knows? Good debate though

TheCunningStunt 06-01-2010 03:35 PM

Liver Forever, you can spot Oasis fans a mile off. My mate has Definitely Maybe tattooed on his right arm. :laughing:

Welcome to MB :)

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-01-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 874507)
Reading through this thread, I can see the Brits are extremely defensive about their music scene so I'll try to avoid offending!

What's defensive about thinking something is better?

Live Forever 06-01-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 874370)
Muse, honestly, should be a point deduction. They are ****ing terrible.

The Libertines had so much promise. Such a sad story.

Muse is terrible? Are you kidding me?

Libertines are overrated as all hell.

Much prefer an Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian, or someone like Plan B (up and coming rapper/singer very successful in the U.S.) than that Lindsey Lohan-of-a-Brit Doherty and that average garage rock known as the Libertines.


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