List The Following In Order Of Preference (lyrics, singer, drum)

cardboard adolescent · 07-25-2006, 09:42 PM

Originality
Song Writing
Technical Ability
Attitude
Image

Reasoning: originality comes first because although songwriting is very important, for me to REALLY like a band they have to have something that sets them apart- there's thousands of great albums out there with good songs on them, but a lot of them sound the same, and it's the unique ones that ultimately end up being your favorite albums. That being said, songwriting is still integral in making a great album. Image usually doesn't factor into my liking a band and usually goes unknown until I'm really into a band and decide to look 'em up online or go to a show or something, at which point it doesn't really matter anymore. Attitude is important, I guess, but if you're a truly great, original songwriter who can play his instrument I don't really give a crap if you're only in it for the money. That being said, technical ability comes third, because although it's not truly a determining factor (hell, I like the Shaggs) it probably does factor in a bit more than image or attitude, unless the image and attitude reflect an amateurish, outsiders' approach to making music, in which case the fact that they can't play their instruments might be outweighed. That is, if they have originality. Not just "hey! look at us, we're like creed... except we can't play our instruments!" That doesn't work. So yeah.

Sound Devastation · 07-26-2006, 04:01 AM

Songwriting. - nothing to do with lyrics, but structure and progression are very very important to me. i listen to music that i find interesting..

Originality - again, im not going to find it interesting if ive heard the same stuff played by another band. these two points should be joint first :P

Technical Ability - i ownly mark down a band on technical ability if its really really poor. Otherwise different abilities and styles of each instrument suit different genre.

Image and Attitude. - these can go together... if i go and see a live band and they come on stage looking like twats then my opinion of them will drop a bit, but with the right attitude that can cancel out. Image in terms of releases is important to me... if an album has ****ty artwork im less likely to buy it.

Raine · 07-26-2006, 08:08 AM

Originality
Songwriting
Atitude
Technical ability
Image

I like to hear something new, something that hasn't been done before or something that puts the spin on a particular genre I guess. So originiality is high on my list

I go for songwriting next because if I can connnect to a song then I'll like it even more.

Attitude means a lot to me. If most of what makes the band is sound enhancements in a studio then I'm turned off because it says something about your musical capabilities anyway.

Technical ability comes next. It's great if you have a nice voice but even better if you can finda sound that compliments it.

And lastly image. I can't listen to an album cover or a CD cover, but it's nice if you're well rounded enough to make a good album and your album shows some emphasis on either the band's personality or is a word picture of what you can expect from the album

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-26-2006, 11:02 AM

To the people who are saying image isn`t important.

Say that band had the other 4 characteristics yet had an extremly racist image , would you still listen to them then?

Raine · 07-26-2006, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

To the people who are saying image isn`t important.

Say that band had the other 4 characteristics yet had an extremly racist image , would you still listen to them then?

Probably not.

Although it depends.

If say the band was avidly against racism and other forms of prejudice and most of their songs on a particular album expressed their views then I would undertsand it if they perhaps did an album cover that portrayed someone being lynched.
Although I'm sure i might find it unsettling

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-26-2006, 11:24 AM

I`m not talking about a racist album cover , i`m talking about the whole thing.
Bands who use the music to promote hatred & are a mouthpiece for racist organisations.

As I said there`s a lot more to image than what the band and the album covers look like.

Raine · 07-26-2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I`m not talking about a racist album cover , i`m talking about the whole thing.
Bands who use the music to promote hatred & are a mouthpiece for racist organisations.

As I said there`s a lot more to image than what the band and the album covers look like.

I usually don't feed intot he media hype that surrounds most musicians.

But on this, I do not support racism or any other form of prejudice. SO if a musician were to use music to promote such things I'd probably form an opinion of their music seperate from their image. But because of their image I wouldn't help support them. I wouldn't buy any of their CDs, posters, concert tickets and such.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-26-2006, 11:32 AM

Which proves my point. Image is much more important than people are admitting to.

That would stop you buying the music regardless of how good the actual songs or musicianship is.

Raine · 07-26-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Which proves my point. Image is much more important than people are admitting to.

That would stop you buying the music regardless of how good the actual songs or musicianship is.

Not necessarily.
I could buy pirate copies of a band's CD and they won't make a profit off that.
I could probably stage a protest (if I wanted to waste my time) and perhaps get enough people to do the same.
I could go to napster and hope enough other people are doing the same adn they won't profit.
Or I could hope they do something stupid that'll get their music banned in certain places.
Like Shakira. There isn't a place in Argentina that sells her CDs unless it's a burned copy because of her relationship with the son of a former politician.

And I see your point about image.
But for me to like a song, image isn't the first thing I take into consideration because i can't hear that. Not unless I start to ask questions and read about them because of my like for their music which was already determined by the other four qualities.

bruise_violet · 07-26-2006, 11:41 AM

1. Songwriting- I love good lyrics and the tune has got to be good.

2. Originality- I can't stand it when bands all sound the same, I like a bit of variety!

3. Technical Ability- I do love amazingly talented musicians, but some of the bands I listen to are just as powerful even when they aren't as good as others, for example Nirvana.

4. Attitude- I love my angry women

And music can change things I suppose!

5. Image- Doesn't matter as much s the other stuff, although I do love to look at costumes people wear on stage, and of course the trends started by musicians.

07-26-2006, 04:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
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07-26-2006, 08:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
Raine Full-Time Hellion Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: PA Posts: 1,531	Originality Songwriting Atitude Technical ability Image I like to hear something new, something that hasn't been done before or something that puts the spin on a particular genre I guess. So originiality is high on my list I go for songwriting next because if I can connnect to a song then I'll like it even more. Attitude means a lot to me. If most of what makes the band is sound enhancements in a studio then I'm turned off because it says something about your musical capabilities anyway. Technical ability comes next. It's great if you have a nice voice but even better if you can finda sound that compliments it. And lastly image. I can't listen to an album cover or a CD cover, but it's nice if you're well rounded enough to make a good album and your album shows some emphasis on either the band's personality or is a word picture of what you can expect from the album __________________ A pair of powerful spectacles has sometimes sufficed to cure a person in love. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

07-26-2006, 11:02 AM	#14 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	To the people who are saying image isn`t important. Say that band had the other 4 characteristics yet had an extremly racist image , would you still listen to them then? __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

07-26-2006, 11:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I`m not talking about a racist album cover , i`m talking about the whole thing. Bands who use the music to promote hatred & are a mouthpiece for racist organisations. As I said there`s a lot more to image than what the band and the album covers look like. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

07-26-2006, 11:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Which proves my point. Image is much more important than people are admitting to. That would stop you buying the music regardless of how good the actual songs or musicianship is. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

07-25-2006, 09:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Originality Song Writing Technical Ability Attitude Image Reasoning: originality comes first because although songwriting is very important, for me to REALLY like a band they have to have something that sets them apart- there's thousands of great albums out there with good songs on them, but a lot of them sound the same, and it's the unique ones that ultimately end up being your favorite albums. That being said, songwriting is still integral in making a great album. Image usually doesn't factor into my liking a band and usually goes unknown until I'm really into a band and decide to look 'em up online or go to a show or something, at which point it doesn't really matter anymore. Attitude is important, I guess, but if you're a truly great, original songwriter who can play his instrument I don't really give a crap if you're only in it for the money. That being said, technical ability comes third, because although it's not truly a determining factor (hell, I like the Shaggs) it probably does factor in a bit more than image or attitude, unless the image and attitude reflect an amateurish, outsiders' approach to making music, in which case the fact that they can't play their instruments might be outweighed. That is, if they have originality. Not just "hey! look at us, we're like creed... except we can't play our instruments!" That doesn't work. So yeah.

07-26-2006, 11:41 AM	#20 (permalink)
bruise_violet we became a carcass! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 383	1. Songwriting- I love good lyrics and the tune has got to be good. 2. Originality- I can't stand it when bands all sound the same, I like a bit of variety! 3. Technical Ability- I do love amazingly talented musicians, but some of the bands I listen to are just as powerful even when they aren't as good as others, for example Nirvana. 4. Attitude- I love my angry women And music can change things I suppose! 5. Image- Doesn't matter as much s the other stuff, although I do love to look at costumes people wear on stage, and of course the trends started by musicians. __________________ in love with the stumps, in love with the bleeding! in love with the pain that you now feel...