Chula Vista

Depends on the version of the band.

Fripp is the only constant.
My fave is the Fripp/Bruford/Levin/Belew line-up and their Red, Yellow, and Blue albums.

Discipline being the best.

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ziggywas

thats a pretty maximalistic approach.. nobody did anything about arena ticket prices but pearl jam who did something, didnt do enough (cuz they didnt cut their share.) doesnt make sense.
about yr 2nd point: it WAS a legit legal battle [and i understand you agree that it was(?)] so whats the rest about the publicity stunt?

if you want publicity/revolution cred you play a free tibet concert, you dont start beef with the practical monopoly of arranging arena concerts.i have a great respect for fugazi's ethos but i think its irrelevant here. Pearl Jam must've sold >15.000.000 records when they began the ticketmaster thing. it is a diferrent league.

Frownland

They did everything about their high ticket prices except for cutting the price of their tickets.

Both can be tactics for publicity. Pointing at big bad ticketmaster for the cost of their tickets when PJ is still in control of 95% of the ticket costs outside of ticketmaster fees definitely has the air of a decision made for publicity. If you don't see it, you don't see it I guess.

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ziggywas

nobody else did cut their share so they did more than anybody else. thats important for me.

now, i guess that if you wanna see publicity stants you gonna see them everywhere.



i cant convince anyone but i ll argue one more time:
if you are on top money-earning-wise as Pearl jam was in 95, you dont take risks. if you need publicity there are other less risky and painful ways to do it. so i dont see why i should be suspicious about them.

Frownland

Fan: Hey why are these tickets so expensive?
PJ: Well we would just charge you $65 for your premium seats but those jerks at Ticketmaster are adding on fees that make it a whopping $70! Ridiculous! Who on earth would pay that much for a ticket?

Once artists reach a certain point of popularity, there aren't many decisions that are made without considering how the public will receive it and if that will impact sales positively or negatively. That goes doubly true for artists signed to labels.

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ziggywas

of coursemthey re gonna thought what the public thinks. of course they counted that fans will like it. BUT the potential losses were in this case far greater than the potential gains. so i m not suspicious about it and i have no other reason to believe they didnt truly believe in this cause.

ticketmaster was applying monopoly practises (okay the courts didnt think so)
and the around 30% of ticket money that went their way is ridiculously high. and a big reason why ticket prices were high.

OccultHawk

Fugazi had every opportunity to be corporate sellouts as well.

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Frownland

I don't think it's either/or, I'm just saying that the publicity end is very fitting for the marketing of that time and played a significant role in their decision to move forward and make the stink. I'm sure they really believed in what they were going up against just like how Metallica really believed in the Napster fight, but from where I'm sitting those were both missing swings.

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https://www.seattletimes.com/enterta...-to-get-them/?

Thanks Pearl Jam

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Don't forget Metallica's fight against Victoria's Secret. Especially don't forget the time Willy Yang was sued for drawing a Metallica logo on his notebook. #Napsterfight #VictoriasSecretfight #WillyYangfight

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