Unpopular Music Opinions

SGR · 05-14-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

people who use the "they insipred _____" make me laugh. Lame reason for why you hate a band, if this were the case we might as well all hate the Beatles for inspiring them. The trickle down influences I say.. I judge each one of the bands i like or dislike on an individual basis.

Creed, I just hate Scott. I think the rest of the band was pretty good. They are ruined by bad vocals and bad lyrics. The band is actually good though, I think Mark is a good guitarist. I just can not stand Scott Stapp. "My Own Prison" had some good songs that would of been great had they a better vocalist and a better songwriter. Could of been a lot more.

Nirvana is one of the best bands to come out in rock. Anybody who doesn't understand why needs to figure it out themselves. I think people who say they are overrated, are the same people saying the Beatles are overrated. People who say they do not like something to look cooler than somebody else. Personally though, I think people who use overrated are not that cool to start with. I prefer to use "overhyped" as opposed to overrated.

Agreed.

I think there are a lot of people on MB with that elitist frame of mind. If it's popular, it's overrated/or it sucks.

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 07:59 AM

did you pick up the "100 greatest artists of all-time" special edition of Rolling Stone? I do not usually buy those, cause it is the same recycled list... however, this one is... well, the same recycled list... however, it is written by aother artist. One artist talks about another artist and why they like them. In this one, it is Iggy Pop on Nirvana... I will post it to let you read:

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Nirvana by Iggy Pop.

The first time I saw Nirvana was at the Pyramid Club, a rank, wonderful, anything-goes dive bar on Avenue A in New York. It wasn't known for having live bands; it was known more for cross-dressing and bar dancing. I had a photographer friend, and he told me, "There's a really hot band from Seattle you have to see. They're playing at the Pyramid, off all places!."

You could smell the talent on Kurt Cobain. He had this sort of elfin delivery, but it was not naval gazing. He was jumping around and throwing himself into every number. He'd sort of hunch over his guitar like an evil little troll, but you heard this power in his voice. At the end he tossed himself into the drums. It was one of maybe 15 performances I've seen where rock & roll is very, very good.

After that, I bought Bleach, and listened to it in Europe and Asia on tour. I still like this album very much, but there was one song "About a Girl," that's not like the rest of the album. It sounded like someone gave Thorazine to The Beatles. And I thought, "If he puts out a record full of that, he's gonna get really rich." And sure enough...

I met Kurt at a club in L.A. right before Nevermind came out. We took a picture and he said, "Come on, let's give the finger!" So we did. I bought Nevermind and I thought, "This has really got it." Nirvana genuinely achieved dynamics. They took you down, and they took you up, and when they pressed a certain button, they took you over. They rocked without rushing and they managed melody without being insipid. It was emotional without sounding dated or corny or weak.

Some time later, Kurt reached out to me. I missed the call, but my wife took the message: "Kurt Cobain wants to go into the studio with you" See, I'm 113 years old now; I was about 72 In the nineties, so I was going to bed at, like, 10 p.m., and he was just getting going at around 11. I did call him back a couple of times. The number was from the Four Seasons in L.A., and I would get these responses like, "Mr. Cobain has not left the room for 3 days" or "Mr. Cobain is under the bed".

As for his legacy: He was Johnny B. Goode. He was the last example that I can think of within rock & roll where a poor kid with no family backup from a small, rural area effected a serious emotional explosion in a significant sector of world youth. It was not made in Hollywood. There were no chrome parts. It was very down-home at its roots. Somebody who is truly nobody from nowhere reached out and touched the world. He may have touched it right on its wound.

TockTockTock · 05-14-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

Nirvana is one of the best bands to come out in rock. Anybody who doesn't understand why needs to figure it out themselves. I think people who say they are overrated, are the same people saying the Beatles are overrated. People who say they do not like something to look cooler than somebody else. Personally though, I think people who use overrated are not that cool to start with. I prefer to use "overhyped" as opposed to overrated.

Wait... so you're saying that just because some people don't think that Nirvana is "the best band to come out of rock" that means they are confused and need to figure it out for themselves?

First off, I don't think you can rate any band as being one of the best. It's impossible because rock is such a broad genre, and what may appeal to you may not appeal to someone else.

Secondly, most people here aren't all that concerned with a band being "overrated" because they are intelligent enough to realize a good musician/band can stand on its own without the factor of popularity/exposure. It's also not very wise to immediately assume that just because someone doesn't like a band it means they are trying to be cool (which hardly makes any sense to me at all). I do agree with you, however, on using the term over-hyped as opposed to overrated.

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Agreed.

I think there are a lot of people on MB with that elitist frame of mind. If it's popular, it's overrated/or it sucks.

Do you have any proof of this? I'm sure there are a few people with that mindset, but I wouldn't say a lot.

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 08:16 AM

ok, change the word "best" to "important".

SGR · 05-14-2011, 08:18 AM

Hmm..Thanks for posting that, didn't realize Iggy liked Nirvana. I knew Kurt's favorite album was Raw Power though.

That's another opinion of mine, not sure if it's unpopular or not, but I think The Stooges are underrated and overlooked by the mainstream. When they talk of classic bands, they always bring up the Stones, Beatles, Who, Zeppelin, sometimes Sabbath, but rarely The Stooges. Funhouse and Raw Power are two very kickass records, especially Raw Power, which is one of my favorite albums of all time. I prefer the 97 Iggy mix over the Bowie mix though.

As for Black Sabbath, they are one of the most influential bands, but you don't often hear them being talked about either, especially on Music Banter. The original lineup released six amazing albums and two decent ones. Is there even a thread for Black Sabbath, there must be right?

SGR · 05-14-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

Wait... so you're saying that just because some people don't think that Nirvana is "the best band to come out of rock" that means they are confused and need to figure it out for themselves?

First off, I don't think you can rate any band as being one of the best. It's impossible because rock is such a broad genre, and what may appeal to you may not appeal to someone else.

Secondly, most people here aren't all that concerned with a band being "overrated" because they are intelligent enough to realize a good musician/band can stand on its own without the factor of popularity/exposure. It's also not very wise to immediately assume that just because someone doesn't like a band it means they are trying to be cool (which hardly makes any sense to me at all). I do agree with you, however, on using the term over-hyped as opposed to overrated.

Do you have any proof of this? I'm sure there are a few people with that mindset, but I wouldn't say a lot.

What, do you want me to quote a few people as examples? It's just a general statement. I think alot of people IRL are like that. The elitist frame of mind that is.

BastardofYoung · 05-14-2011, 08:34 AM

I love "Raw Power". but I think "Fun House" was their best. Seems to be the one many people skip over. Most people I know talk of the self-titled album and "Raw Power", but I rarely hear people mention "Fun House". Great album that doesn't get enough attention.

But "Raw Power" has "Gimme Danger" which is my favorite Stooges song.

TockTockTock · 05-14-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

ok, change the word "best" to "important".

I still stand by what I said.

Tell me though... how are they important?

duga · 05-14-2011, 08:40 AM

Most people here do actually base their opinions on bands objectively... Urban was just talking about liking Kiss despite knowing they are generally horrible. I can't stand them. I do, however, like Pearl Jam despite others obviously not liking them. We are just all very vocal about our opinions is all. Creed can definitely suck it, though... the whole band, in fact. I had to suffer through Alterbridge once and I just wanted to punch the guitarist in the face.

An unpopular opinion from me:

I can't really listen to Muse that often because it really bugs me how much Matt Bellamy breathes in while he sings. Seriously, it's after every stinking word. Take bigger breaths. Damn.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 05-14-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

Nirvana is one of the best bands to come out in rock. Anybody who doesn't understand why needs to figure it out themselves. I think people who say they are overrated, are the same people saying the Beatles are overrated. People who say they do not like something to look cooler than somebody else. Personally though, I think people who use overrated are not that cool to start with.

Nirvana were not spectacular in any way, shape, or form. It's not snobbery to call them overrated, it's logic.

05-14-2011, 08:16 AM	#5624 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	ok, change the word "best" to "important". __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

05-14-2011, 08:34 AM	#5627 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I love "Raw Power". but I think "Fun House" was their best. Seems to be the one many people skip over. Most people I know talk of the self-titled album and "Raw Power", but I rarely hear people mention "Fun House". Great album that doesn't get enough attention. But "Raw Power" has "Gimme Danger" which is my favorite Stooges song. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

05-14-2011, 08:40 AM	#5629 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Most people here do actually base their opinions on bands objectively... Urban was just talking about liking Kiss despite knowing they are generally horrible. I can't stand them. I do, however, like Pearl Jam despite others obviously not liking them. We are just all very vocal about our opinions is all. Creed can definitely suck it, though... the whole band, in fact. I had to suffer through Alterbridge once and I just wanted to punch the guitarist in the face. An unpopular opinion from me: I can't really listen to Muse that often because it really bugs me how much Matt Bellamy breathes in while he sings. Seriously, it's after every stinking word. Take bigger breaths. Damn. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

05-14-2011, 08:18 AM	#5625 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	Hmm..Thanks for posting that, didn't realize Iggy liked Nirvana. I knew Kurt's favorite album was Raw Power though. That's another opinion of mine, not sure if it's unpopular or not, but I think The Stooges are underrated and overlooked by the mainstream. When they talk of classic bands, they always bring up the Stones, Beatles, Who, Zeppelin, sometimes Sabbath, but rarely The Stooges. Funhouse and Raw Power are two very kickass records, especially Raw Power, which is one of my favorite albums of all time. I prefer the 97 Iggy mix over the Bowie mix though. As for Black Sabbath, they are one of the most influential bands, but you don't often hear them being talked about either, especially on Music Banter. The original lineup released six amazing albums and two decent ones. Is there even a thread for Black Sabbath, there must be right?