Unpopular Music Opinions

Ninetales · 06-01-2014, 12:50 PM

Next up we should talk about how apples are objectively the best fruit of all times.

"they are the most popular fruit in first world cultures" one expert says

"they had a heavy influence on many other fruits we enjoy today, such as the grapple" another declares

**Janszoon** · 06-01-2014, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

Next up we should talk about how apples are objectively the best fruit of all times.

"they are the most popular fruit in first world cultures" one expert says

"they had a heavy influence on many other fruits we enjoy today, such as the grapple" another declares

Wpnfire · 06-01-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

Next up we should talk about how apples are objectively the best fruit of all times.

"they are the most popular fruit in first world cultures" one expert says

"they had a heavy influence on many other fruits we enjoy today, such as the grapple" another declares

If you want to be like that, nothing is actually objective.
How we as a society arrive at 'objective truths' is usually nothing more than simple observation of the majority of subjective truths (opinons).

And it doesn't even matter what's being discussed. You go back 600 years and you may find an objective truth back then was that the sun revolved around the earth.

In this case, if you asked 100 random people what they thought they was the greatest band of all time, I hypothesize that the most frequent answer would be the Beatles. I also hypothesize you would get similar results in just about anywhere.

This is at least how I see it. ^

14232949 · 06-01-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

Next up we should talk about how apples are objectively the best fruit of all times.

"they are the most popular fruit in first world cultures" one expert says

"they had a heavy influence on many other fruits we enjoy today, such as the grapple" another declares

Spot on.
How can you declare any particular band or musician to be the best?

What is the criteria for being the best?
Record sales? Technical proficiency? Cultural Impact? Legacy? Innovation? Loudest growls? Most sincere lyrics? Who uses the most goofed up tuning?
How much I can personally relate to them?

Nobody can claim any artist in a subjective field to be the best 'by fact'

On, an unpopular opinion. I guess I'm like Ninetails, The Beatles just don't interest me. At all.

Ninetales · 06-01-2014, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

How we as a society arrive at 'objective truths' is usually nothing more than simple observation of the majority of subjective truths (opinons).

No, it's not.

You do not see a difference between "the earth is round" and "apples are the greatest fruit"?

The reasone why there is no "objective" greatest band ever is because there are no definitive criteria to judge music as a whole by (thank god for that). If you think the beatles are indeed the best, fine, but dont think for a second that the reasons for which youve come up with that conclusion are anything but subjective.

Oh and before this gets brought up, and im sure it will: Record sales are objective. Record sales correlating to greatness is not.

Paul Smeenus · 06-01-2014, 07:53 PM

No matter which side of the argument, it's important to accept that sales =/= quality

Moss · 06-01-2014, 09:10 PM

For the record I agree calling any band "the best" is silly and all music opinion is subjective.

Wpnfire · 06-02-2014, 12:16 AM

Show No Mercy > Reign In Blood.

Haunting the Chapel may be better than all of their other albums by itself I think.

Jade_City · 06-02-2014, 06:02 AM

I was away from this thread for a while, but you guys got talking about the Beatles. Anyway, like I said everyone sees them through rose tinted glass, this whole 60's counterculture thing and all that. Now I'm assuming here many of you were born AFTER the 60's yes? Or maybe you were born right at the end and were too young to really remember. Most people I know that are of that generation where they grew up as teenagers listening to the bands of the 60's remember the Beatles as being rather standard. Now I will admit they're good, and their music is listenable, but essentially they're just the boyband of the 60's, just like One Direction (albeit 100000x more talented). That's just my opinion though. I do like the White album, but their earlier stuff is just kinda cheesy pop imo. They also kinda cashed in on the whole psychedelia thing because it was trendy.

The Batlord · 06-02-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

Show No Mercy > Reign In Blood.

Haunting the Chapel may be better than all of their other albums by itself I think.

I go back and forth on my opinions about Slayer. I definitely think they reached their creative peak with Reign In Blood and, no matter how good succeeding albums may have been, they were never as creatively relevant afterwards. But sometimes I love Reign In Blood's brutality, and other times I prefer the greater emphasis on that dark, chaotic atmosphere from their earlier albums. While RIB's production and its stripped down clarity allowed for an intensity they'd never had before, it came at a cost for that atmosphere.

And when I'm in the mood for the earlier stuff I definitely agree on Haunting the Chapel. Even if it's short it still captures Slayer's early ideas at their apex. "Chemical Warfare" is pretty much all that is good about first wave black metal.

If you're a bigger fan of that period of their career I'm curious how this grabs you.

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06-02-2014, 06:02 AM	#8649 (permalink)
Jade_City Hello! Join Date: May 2014 Location: corner by Jamal's house Posts: 203	Getting back to the Beatles I was away from this thread for a while, but you guys got talking about the Beatles. Anyway, like I said everyone sees them through rose tinted glass, this whole 60's counterculture thing and all that. Now I'm assuming here many of you were born AFTER the 60's yes? Or maybe you were born right at the end and were too young to really remember. Most people I know that are of that generation where they grew up as teenagers listening to the bands of the 60's remember the Beatles as being rather standard. Now I will admit they're good, and their music is listenable, but essentially they're just the boyband of the 60's, just like One Direction (albeit 100000x more talented). That's just my opinion though. I do like the White album, but their earlier stuff is just kinda cheesy pop imo. They also kinda cashed in on the whole psychedelia thing because it was trendy. __________________ WHERE DID YOU GET THAT THING? FROM THE MOTHERSHIP!

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06-01-2014, 09:10 PM	#8647 (permalink)
Moss Scuttle Buttin' Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Boulder Colorado Posts: 972	For the record I agree calling any band "the best" is silly and all music opinion is subjective.