Frownland

I'd say the same sans the three 'really's.

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Overcast

not all nu metal is bad

Frownland

^the same can be said for any genre really but I still agree. 40 Below Summer, SOAD, Mushroomhead, Fear Factory, some of Slipknot's early output, and Machine Head make some great tunes. KoRn has great tracks off of their debut but a lot of their work is less than listenable for me save for a track here and there.

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Overcast

Agreed. I just point it out as Nu-Metal gets a lot of hate more than most genres.

CoNtrivedNiHilism

I agree.

My favorite album by probably one of the most under rated bands from that point of music, would be Shut Your Breath by Simon Says. What a stellar album! Solid from start to finish. Baffles me how it didn't sell millions. Linkin Park accomplished that. Simon Says is a far better band and they barely sold 100,000, if that.

Just go look for Simon Says on YouTube. Type in Simon Says shut your breath. Should get around half or more of the album to listen to. Thank me later. All my fellow nu-metal brothers in arms!

blackdragon123

Supertramp are grossly underrated as lyricists and musicians...yeah...yeah I went there.

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Necromancer

Fool's Overture is one of my all time favorites.

ladyislingering

And Jethro Tull. Mostly ignored during their time, save for a few radio favorites, but so much to be heard beyond that.

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Good Crunkcore exists? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron if it does?

CoNtrivedNiHilism

Was this covered? Was going to open a new thread for it but figured it'd be closed due to this thread existing, as my topic can be covered as an unpopular music opinion...though, I will base it on one question, but branch it off in other directions to try covering what I want to convey to the best I know how...

Should a singer, artist, or band be viewed as one if they don't write any of their own music, or lyrics? I see it as dishonest, in-genuine. I've had this opinion since I was pretty young, maybe 9 or 10 years old...maybe younger. I could never, and still can't bring myself to justify someone that does this. I see some of these people or artists winning Grammy's for collections of songs, or a song in general they didn't even write, they just sung it. I know this sort of thing has went on for a pretty long time, so it is not uncommon. But shouldn't the person or people that wrote the music, everything about the composition, save singing it, be the person or party that got the award?

There's a difference between writing a song with someone in partnership, apposed to having one written for you because you can't write worth a darn. Obviously having the ability as a singer gets people by just fine; again, reference the Grammy's these days. The people that do this. I don't consider them artists. In my eyes they are phony, just a pretty face with a good singing voice, but nothing beyond that because a large portion of their music is done by other people.

Every genre has their own share of this. It isn't just one specific genre. But I will just say that Pop music has the most of it, to me. Maybe I'm silly to have a chip on my shoulder over people in the industry that do this and are viewed as 'raw talent' in the eyes of the industry, and its fanbase. Or maybe I'm not alone in this.

What do all of you think? If you can't write your own music, lyrics. Put down the microphone and let the people that truly put the time in, make their music. Haha. Then again. Song writers that make a living writing music for others would be out of work!