ProggyMan

Uh, it doesn't matter if they knew, the results are what counts. I'm not saying it was a bad idea, just the end result wasn't up to snuff. It's not bad, never said it was, in fact I think it gets an unfair amount of flak, it's just as good as their other work.

boo boo

What in the hell are you talking about? Everyone has heard those albums, those are always the first albums people start with when trying to get into Dylan.

I do like Highway 61 Revisited and Blood on the Tracks alright, but I think they are incredibly overrated. And Blonde and Blonde just bored me to death.

Yeah, Morrissey prefers to insult people behind their back

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Rainard Jalen

The Beatles are only overrated in the sense of being musical "innovators". In terms of being great melodists, they get all the praise they deserve and anybody who denies that is an idiot.

But it is true that they are overrated in terms of discussions about innovation and significance to the development of rock music. The Beatles were only influential in the sense of inspiring others to start playing, writing and recording. Far as the music itself goes, they invented very little and merely adapted the emerging popular and underground styles of the time, whatever year it might have been. Even then, their sound by all accounts was quite retro, with the focus being on melody and harmony while the rest of the rock movement had shifted away from that and were trying to break into completely unchartered territory.

Fair enough, "melody and pop" was the Beatles' musical vision, and they were the best of the best at those things. But then, people shouldn't try to construe them as the great musical innovators that they never actually were. The real sonic revolution was happening rather elsewhere.

boo boo

So according to you, The Beatles stopped making music after 1965, apparrently.

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Rainard Jalen

No. According to me, they wrote their best music after 1965. But in spite of that, it was nothing new or cutting edge. It was always at least half a year too late, and usually much later. All they did differently was they took a large number of styles pioneered by other artists and made it into The Beatles, i.e. with their trademark strong melodicism and harmonies - the effect of course was that they were, by comparison to the real revolutionaries and innovators, quite retro in sound, harping back to 40s/50s pop and music hall.

Case in point: The White Album; I love it to pieces but it's the most intentionally and fiendishly derivative album of the rock era!

Nah, Paul and John never claimed to be great musical pioneers but were always explicit about their influences. They were, however, great pop songwriters, the absolute best in my honest opinion.

TheBig3

Whats wrong with Ballad of a Thin Man? The stanza that ends with "Oh my god am I here all alone" reminds me of The Ice Cream King so much, for the orated words, its clever word play.

What don't you like about it.

And why is that?

More emoticons. How will I ever compete?

Just because you're a soulless doesn't mean the rest of us are, or that we can't cite it in regard to why we like music. I wish you realize that anyone that committed to Prog has committed themselves to an a-emotional lifestyle.

Musically, its like you were subjected to watching you pets executed every couple of years or so as a child. I'd love to know what you love most on this planet.

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WaspStar

Yeah, I don't really get the hate for that song either. The only part that makes me cringe is the last line; "You should be made to wear earphones" is downright lame, particularly following all those great put-downs.

sleepy jack

I don't hate the songs I just think the lyrics aren't very good.

"You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When somebody attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect you
To just give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations
You've been with the professors
And they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well read
It's well known"

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WaspStar

What is this "greatness" you speak of? Sophistication? Variety? You can't deny their influence, their innovations, or the technical aspects of their music, but you can argue what you get out of it. Their melodies don't do anything for me (and I know I'm in the minority by saying that).

boo boo

Yeah. Tommorrow Never Knows. Norwegian Wood. A Day in the Life. Strawberry Fields. I Am The Warlus. Happiness is a Warm Gun. Such sheer lack of originality.

That is just plain wrong.

Yeah, we can't forget that having influences make you unoriginal.

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