I don't think they sold out....I have all there albums it just shows growth of the band if you listen to Bleach, Insecticide, Nevermind, and In Utero it's all growth not selling out.

No it's processed mush and then you take into the fact they switched labels and are all over the radio.

I don't think Nirvana ever sold out simply because there was nothing to sell out.
Which is kind of ironic seeing as Cobain never shut up about 'underground music'.

They always released 3 minute pop songs for singles , They were only on Sub Pop because they were the only label interested in them and as soon as a major came calling they jumped the first chance they got.

Nirvana - Half decent band but any ideals they had were one big con.

but nevermind actually had decent songwriting compared to bleach, and had dave grohl as their drummer, instead of switching between other guys.
Im not arguing it wasn't overproduced(kurt even thought so himself) i just don't understand why people can like Bleach more..

In Utero was always my favorite..

to bring this back on subject, yes they were sell-outs, commercial,but still good. I never understood how Kurt had the idea to trash talk Eddie Vedder about being a sellout though.

Because Eddie sort of did sell out.

Holy smokes is this comment retarded, so its not quality if most people like it, its only quality if you like it, thats just what you frickin said.

For me, a good songwriter is someone who writes music with the intent of at least someone liking the damn songs. Rather than just making the most annoying, obnoxious and primitive music you possibly can, knowing that the Indie crowd will absolutely eat it up.

Writing a song so that it will be liked is dumb. Writing a song because you like writing music is legit. Art should be selfish.

The number of people who like a band is completely irrelevant to quality. I've said that over and over. Few people can like can like a great band and many can love a crap one just as easily as many can like a great band and few like crap one.

I have no reason at all to believe that guys like Modest Mouse, TV On the Radio, Belle & Sabastion, Interpol, Built to Spill and Wolf Parade enjoy what they do. It seems very clear to me that they themselves are convinced they suck the big one, and that they are simply trying to make the worst music they possibly can, they're trying to suck, there really is no other explanation for a band to suck that damn much, to be honest.

Indeed many share your philosophy of art, which is to make horrible self indulgent music at the expense of other peoples ears. And its thanks to this very philosophy that music has been completely down the ****ter for the past 10 years.

Oh come on Boo Boo don't make out that it's just the 'indie crowd' that do that.

What about when Emerson Lake & Palmer released Love Beach which was a blatent attempt at making a more commercial album.
Knowing how much you love that band obviously them being as talented musicians as they are and making their music more accessable would obviously make it their best album. no?

Maybe you should go listen to some classical or something if you're in search of top quality composers. But I rather listen music with character and color that stays kind of close to folk ethics, music of the people that is for one's own pleasure.

Built to Spill and Modest Mouse really arent THAT horrible.