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boo boo 03-24-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 353035)
Oh come on Boo Boo don't make out that it's just the 'indie crowd' that do that.

What about when Emerson Lake & Palmer released Love Beach which was a blatent attempt at making a more commercial album.
Knowing how much you love that band obviously them being as talented musicians as they are and making their music more accessable would obviously make it their best album. no?

Uber bad example. One crap album that every critic hates vs 50 something crap albums that every critic seems to love.

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-24-2007 03:27 PM

Why is it a bad example?

Because it shows you can be just as snobby as some indie kid?

I ask again

A bunch of talented musicians make an album thats more commercial and easy to listen to , so why do you hate it so much?

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-24-2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 353034)
Indeed many share your philosophy of art, which is to make horrible self indulgent music at the expense of other peoples ears.

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The Residents - The Commercial Album
^ Currently listening to.

:laughing:

boo boo 03-24-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 353036)
Maybe you should go listen to some classical or something if you're in search of top quality composers.

Yeah, I'm so un-hip for appreciating beautiful music.

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But I rather listen music with character and color that stays kind of close to folk ethics, music of the people that is for one's own pleasure.
I fail to see how you get pleasure out of that vile crap.

And its not like I'm not in the know, I've heard a lot of this stuff because it had been so frequently recomended to me.

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Built to Spill and Modest Mouse really arent THAT horrible.
Yeah they are.

And for the record, since Urban brought up the prog card, it strikes me odd how so many of you diss prog for being "pretentious" (a coin term for selfish/self absorbed) yet you think art should be "selfish". Well here I am to clue you in, bands like Genesis and King Crimson aren't selfish at all, because they compose music with the goal of pleasing people with an appreciation for complex and beautiful music, and they succeed. And they do get personal with their art, they do enjoy what they do and they do believe what they write. So for people to really say prog/art rock bands are pretentious wankers who give no "feeling or personality" to their music is a load of crap, propagonda if you will to promote a ignorant, closeminded view of music which is that all music MUST be primitive and with lyrics that have to involve lyrics about politics, relationships, personal philosophies and pretty much nothing else because it becomes "pretentious". For me the real bands who are pretentious are those who pretend to be worth listening to, that fits the bill perfectly for Modest Mouse.

Now I'm not an all around alternative rock hater, because Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, Flaming Lips, Pixies and Pavement are among my favorite bands. But I sincerely believe most Indie today is rubbish, and not the stuff no one cares about, its the stuff everybody loves, the stuff they love because it makes them feel "hip and underground". Nothing has proven to me that these bands respect music, they're cattering strictly to people with genuine attraction to intentionally bad music, bands people force themselves to like because they have a severe identity/non conformity crisis, which in an ironic turn of events makes indie fans the biggest conformists of them all. You have taught yourselfs to hate all that is good about music, you simply can't stand good music. Your tastes is the anti-good. And you oppress all those that appreciate good.

Really, I say all this as it is my honest opinion, its not out of spite or some attempt at revenge for you smearing almost every band I respect, its due to my belief that you, Swimintheundertow, have the worst taste in music I've ever seen. EVER.

Call me smug, call me mean, call me nasty, these things are all true but to point them out yourself would make you a hypocrite, being a part of the overall Indie herd its almost somewhat of a duty for you to nitpick about everyone with an even remotely different preference than yours. This is what indie fans do, its what they always do and have always done, and it is why I dispise them so. Adoring godawful music is barely a scratch on the surface.

boo boo 03-24-2007 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 353042)
:laughing:

Listen to it, its actually very poppy. Weird dosen't automatically translate to self indulgent.

Also I haven't updated it in like 3 months, which is just about how long its been since I have actually listened to that album.

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-24-2007 04:01 PM

I didn't 'bring up prog' I gave an example of a band you like making a blatent commercial album that you yourself have slated as being rubbish and asked you what the difference was.
A question you have yet to answer despite being asked 3 times.

boo boo 03-24-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 353050)
I didn't 'bring up prog' I gave an example of a band you like making a blatent commercial album that you yourself have slated as being rubbish and asked you what the difference was.
A question you have yet to answer despite being asked 3 times.

The album was actually a contract obligation, they hated the record company they were on and they simply had to make an album dispite their reluctance, so they put no effort into pleasing their devoted fans and staying true to themselves. Did they cheat their fans? F*cking hell yeah they did, and they're still nowhere near as pretentious as most Indie bands. No small feat.

Moon Pix 03-24-2007 04:25 PM

Its seems to me that the more eccentric a musician is the more likely it is that theyll eventually get bored of making no money and make a blatantly commercial record in the hope of having some hits.

Just look at Beefheart.

boo boo 03-24-2007 04:27 PM

And just for the damn record, every band you listen to is a sellout, every single one.

I don't give a sh*t if its Sony or 4AD making your records, if you make music to sell, you're a sellout, you're emotionally and spiritualy prostituting yourself, you're a Hooker with a Penis (I'm a Tool fan, bite me).

So anyone who rants about Nirvana being the biggest sellouts are not only lying to themselves but they're lying to everyone on this forum.

Swimintheundertow, Urban, Moon Pix, Unfan. You're all big fat liars.

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-24-2007 04:29 PM

So there is no difference , it's just an excuse for you to spit bile about 'indie fans' .... again, and then complain about how hard done by prog fans are .... again.
I've often said I don't care what kind of label a band is on.What I have a problem with is bands who claim to be paragons of individuality whilst writing 3 minute radio friendly crap while being signed to sony.
Be upfront about it, If a band were to say 'I don't care about underground credibility I just want to make music that people will like' i'll respect them a hell of a lot more.I might like the music , then again I might not , but i'll respect them for having some honesty.


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