Nirvana , that'll be the band that praised the underground to high heaven , spoke out about how bad mainstream music was and then signed to Geffen as soon as they waved some cash in their faces.

RATM are not hypocrites at all, which is obviously what you're refering to. They're a band that obviously wants people to hear what they have to say (even if what they say has been told before, thats not the damn point), so being signed to Sony is not only NOT a problem, its a damn good thing they're signed to Sony.

Capitalism is a system that begs to be exploited, so exploiting it to preach against it is not hypocritical, its just a good logical way of gaining a platform. No one would have given a crap about Karl Marx if his work wasnt so well publicized, and thus there would be no cause for revolution.

Also their deeper tracks are hardly radio friendly. And most songs from the s/t debut clocked in over 5 minutes and were not commercial in structure. Oh my, their frontman screams a lot and kids just happen to dig that, they're sooooooooooo commercial.

And Cobain even admitted it and continued to joke about how Nirvana were bigass sellouts up until his death, but again, they already sold out much earlier, as I explained. By not giving him even a little credit for being sincere and humble you're clearly being selective with your history.

Besides, he and Eddie were pals, so the whole calling PJ sellouts thing could have simply been a tounge in cheek affair, though he clearly didn't like their music.

You honestly think I give a crap about what any of them do as long as they keep writing good songs? You honestly think I burnt all of my White Stripes albums when Jack White wrote that song for Coca Cola?

All of this sort of sh*t doesnt have anything to do with music. If you think a musicians integrity can be destroyed by a commercial then you obviously don't have enough faith in them and the funny thing is that the people who p*ss and moan about musicians signing to be big labels or doing commercials are always the first ones to say "its all about the music man."

Well start acting like it then.

What are you retarded? Thats what I've been goddamned refuting you idiot.

Try reading the rest of my post, sheesh.

I don't have a problem with artists being signed to sony , in fact some of my favourite artists are on that label.I'll tell you exactly what my problem with RATM is.
Let's compare them to another political artist signed to Sony , Billy Bragg.

Billy Bragg spent nearly 2 decades putting out records , was openly active in the political arena , gave his time & name to causes he believed in all the time and spoke in depth about these causes.Some might argue his going to Sony was him selling out. I disagree , I think after 2 decades of hard work ,raising awareness of causes and generally giving up so much of his career to these causes he deserved a little bit in return and the benefits that come with being signed to a major.

Compare that to RATM who despite being anti establishment went straight to Sony after they made a tape & got signed ,don't you find that odd? A band so anti establishment they go straight to one of the biggest conglomerates in the world?
did absolutly nothing in the political arena and who's basic political philosophy is a small meaningless slogan that'll fit on a T-shirt that they'll sell for £15 a go.And giving their name to a few token causes to show just how political they are.

Now before you say anything i'd just like to point out I don't like either RATM or Billy Bragg musically , but Billy has my respect & RATM don't.

That was just my own little comment. It wasnt in reference to anything you said. I just used your quote to give it a context.

That may make them politically insignificant, it dosen't make them hypocrites.

To me it does , and i'm the one with the cash choosing to buy someone elses albums.

Anyway Boo Boo what p*ssed me off was you took a simple comment about Captain Beefheart as an oppurtunity to call me a liar because in another thread unrelated to this one I took a few potshots at RATM.

Just admit that you want to turn this into the RATM forum and have done with it. You seem to like dragging them up.