Selling out (alternative, indie, pop, punk, rock)

Moon Pix · 03-24-2007, 05:59 PM

Watching you two argue is funny.

Expletive Deleted · 03-24-2007, 06:04 PM

Haha, the minute I saw this thread and that boo boo had the last post in it I knew he'd be saying some stupid shit about how awful Indie is and how great Prog is. The fact that he's arguing with Urban just makes it so much better!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-24-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Again, political motives mean **** compared to the causes, not to mention they got signed almost after they started, which would explain why they didn't participate into political events prior to sony. They were just lucky.

Again, I'll have to repeat it for you, political motives mean absolutely nothing if you're benefiting a good cause.

For example, as Sean Hannity and any right wing nut will tell you, Al Gore is a downright hypocrite when it comes to how he personally treats the environment (private jets, electric consuming households, zinc mines, etc) and he's STILL the best choice we f*cking have for president. I'd vote for him, I don't care that he's a hypocrite, he benefits good causes, thats what matters to me.

RATM however are not hypocrites.

They could have got involved before they got signed. Nobody forced them to sign with the 'great big evil corporation'. And your analogy is a bad one. With your presidentual choices you only have a couple of candidates , with bands you have thousands to choose from.Like I said it's not them signing with a major that bothers me , it's the way they did it.

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So you admit to your ignorance, fantastic, we have ourselves a breakthrough.

How is me listening to the album & not liking it a sign of ignorance?

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Indeed its about the music, but you havent talked jacksh*t about the music, you used their alledged hypocrisy as justification for calling them a crap band.

Well I have , did I not say before i'll like something regardless of what label it's on? And i have said plenty of times RATM music does absolutly nothing for me in the past.But if a discussion comes up about their political leanings i'll say what I think about that too, it's just another area of discussion.

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I don't get where you come up with the "second hand Helmet riffs" bid, you pulled that one completely out of your bum? I like Helmet, but I don't hear many similarities, and even if I did, having f*cking influences dosen't make them a bad band, nor does a whiney singer. Speaking of which, a Sex Pistols, Cure and Smiths fan complaining about whiney singers has LOLRONY written all over it.

Because thats how they sounded to me when I first heard them , maybe I was wrong I wouldn't know i've not listened to RATM in something like 12/13 years. As for Lydon & Robert Smith well they don't annoy me in the same way as the guy from RATM does.I think Thom Yorke has a whiney voice too but it doesn't bother me in the slightest either. As for Morrissey last i heard he had a deep baritone voice. I hardly think whiney describes him.

boo boo · 03-24-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

They could have got involved before they got signed. Nobody forced them to sign with the 'great big evil corporation'.

Well if memory serves me right, La Rocha had pertaken in political protests before joining rage.

Also I already explained why they would sign with the "great big evil corporation" and also why signing with the "great big evil corporation" is completely justifiable.

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And your analogy is a bad one. With your presidentual choices you only have a couple of candidates

Actually no, we have a crapload of potential candidates being brought to the table, and so far Al Gore is the most qualified in my opinion. But of course its still a whole year until the actual election.

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with bands you have thousands to choose from.Like I said it's not them signing with a major that bothers me , it's the way they did it.

I see nothing wrong with the way they did it, if I wanted people to hear my sh*t, I would get signed to a big label pronto, its common logic.

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How is me listening to the album & not liking it a sign of ignorance?

Aww, forget it.

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Well I have , did I not say before i'll like something regardless of what label it's on? And i have said plenty of times RATM music does absolutly nothing for me in the past.But if a discussion comes up about their political leanings i'll say what I think about that too, it's just another area of discussion.

Fair enough.

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Because thats how they sounded to me when I first heard them , maybe I was wrong I wouldn't know i've not listened to RATM in something like 12/13 years.

Hmm, this might explain a few things.

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As for Lydon & Robert Smith well they don't annoy me in the same way as the guy from RATM does.I think Thom Yorke has a whiney voice too but it doesn't bother me in the slightest either. As for Morrissey last i heard he had a deep baritone voice. I hardly think whiney describes him.

I mean "whiney" as in "woe as me, my life sucks" kinda vocals, as opposed to high pitched vocals, being high pitched dosen't make you whiney. Jon Anderson is high pitched but he's not whiney, Bon Scott is high pitched but he's not whiney.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-24-2007, 06:38 PM

I don't see what difference it makes if i heard it 12 years ago or 12 minutes ago it's the same album.
Besides i've heard them played at friends houses or seen them on TV since then.

boo boo · 03-24-2007, 06:41 PM

12 years ago I thought Limp Bizkit were awesome. Perceptions change after a decade has past.

But I know you won't like them now, I know they're not your kinda thing.

But Bob Dylan, The Rolling Stones, they're not my thing either, but I'm not going to say they are the worst thing to ever happen to music. Yeah I know its a bad comparison and they have 5 decades of influence, whatever.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-24-2007, 06:45 PM

No I still think they're shit.

boo boo · 03-24-2007, 06:53 PM

Even after 12 years.

Hey, its not liking I'm expecting you to completely change your mind if you were to check them out again. I just think its pretty bogus to make all these (proven inaccurate) assumptions about their music, their lyrics, their activities and their motives when you haven't even heard their music in 12 years.

Hell, I can't even remember any of the bands that I haven't listened to in 12 years.

boo boo · 03-24-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Expletive Deleted

Haha, the minute I saw this thread and that boo boo had the last post in it I knew he'd be saying some stupid shit about how awful Indie is and how great Prog is. The fact that he's arguing with Urban just makes it so much better!

I have only mentioned prog briefly, nor did I boast about how superior it is to Indie (and it is), I simply made distinctions between the two. One is considered to be pretentious but really isn't, one is considered not to be pretentious but really is.

swim · 03-24-2007, 09:00 PM

Math Rock>pure prog.

I never called Nirvana the biggest sellouts. I doubt you really know what I listen to since you were like l4\/\/l U lyk ghey EM0 el oh els!!!!@#!@#!!@#!!!@

03-24-2007, 05:59 PM	#51 (permalink)
Moon Pix In a very sad sad zoo Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: "Out on tour with Smashing Pumpkins, nature kids, they don't have no function" Posts: 363	Watching you two argue is funny. __________________ There’s a dream that I see, I pray it can be Look 'cross the land, shake this land - "Maybe Not", C. Marshall

03-24-2007, 06:38 PM	#55 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I don't see what difference it makes if i heard it 12 years ago or 12 minutes ago it's the same album. Besides i've heard them played at friends houses or seen them on TV since then. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

03-24-2007, 06:45 PM	#57 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	No I still think they're shit. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

03-24-2007, 09:00 PM	#60 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Math Rock>pure prog. I never called Nirvana the biggest sellouts. I doubt you really know what I listen to since you were like l4\/\/l U lyk ghey EM0 el oh els!!!!@#!@#!!@#!!!@ __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

03-24-2007, 06:04 PM	#52 (permalink)
Expletive Deleted Dancing Machine Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,108	Haha, the minute I saw this thread and that boo boo had the last post in it I knew he'd be saying some stupid shit about how awful Indie is and how great Prog is. The fact that he's arguing with Urban just makes it so much better!