Avant-garde/Experimental? (quote, history)

Sound Devastation · 04-20-2007, 08:04 AM

Avant-garde literally means 'without barriers' and can cover bands from all sorts of genres and backgrounds. My local record store has an 'avant-garde' section which contains noise, no-wave, drone, dark ambient, freak-folk, modern free jazz and improv.

Six Organs of Admittance are found alongside Merzbow, Arab on Radar, Zorn, Sunn O))) and Kayo Dot.. although they couldn't sound more different they appeal to the same group of people through their experimentation, and have therefore been grouped as avant-garde.

its impossible to say what does and what doesnt fall into the genre though..

DidierD · 04-20-2007, 09:07 AM

would math rock count as Avant-garde?

Sound Devastation · 04-20-2007, 09:58 AM

not the whole genre no... some bands probably could be though.

right-track · 04-20-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sound Devastation

Avant-garde...

its impossible to say what does and what doesnt fall into the genre though..

I'd agree with that.
I'd say avant-garde isn't even a genre, but is like you said, "without barriers" and can be found within all existing genres.

cardboard adolescent · 04-20-2007, 10:21 AM

Avant-garde doesn't literally mean without barriers.

right-track · 04-20-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Avant-garde (pronounced /ɑvɑ̃ gɑʁd/) in French means front guard, advance guard, or vanguard.[1] People often use the term in French and English to refer to people or works that are experimental or novel, particularly with respect to art, culture, and politics.

I didn't say it was a definition, this is a definition of avant-garde I posted earlier in the thread.
It is true to say though, it is without barriers. As SD stated.

cardboard adolescent · 04-20-2007, 02:22 PM

That is a definition, but it's not what it literally means. It literally means front guard.

I was just being an anal retentive ass for reasons unknown.

right-track · 04-20-2007, 02:41 PM

Which is what the definition says.
No worries...I was being a pedantic twat, also for unknown reasons...

...does this mean we were being avant-garde?!?

Kevorkian Logic · 04-20-2007, 03:24 PM

according to my history book all forms of avant-garde went out of fashion in 80s.

right-track · 04-20-2007, 03:33 PM

So what replaced it?...

...nouveau-avante-garde?
avante-garde-nouveaux?
post avante-garde?

Your history books are ridiculous...how can anything experimental go out of fashion?

04-20-2007, 08:04 AM	#51 (permalink)
Sound Devastation Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 728	Avant-garde literally means 'without barriers' and can cover bands from all sorts of genres and backgrounds. My local record store has an 'avant-garde' section which contains noise, no-wave, drone, dark ambient, freak-folk, modern free jazz and improv. Six Organs of Admittance are found alongside Merzbow, Arab on Radar, Zorn, Sunn O))) and Kayo Dot.. although they couldn't sound more different they appeal to the same group of people through their experimentation, and have therefore been grouped as avant-garde. its impossible to say what does and what doesnt fall into the genre though.. __________________ Out soon... AMENRA - Mass III 2xLP [stunning vinyl release of the belgian sludgecore giants epic 06 album] FALL OF EFRAFA - Owsla & Elil CD&LP [British crust/doom/post-metal band Fall of Efrafa deliver part two (Elil) on their dark conceptual trilogy. Part one (Owsla) will also be re-released for the first time in the UK] *** visit... Sound Devastation Records website**

04-20-2007, 09:07 AM	#52 (permalink)
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04-20-2007, 09:58 AM	#53 (permalink)
Sound Devastation Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 728	not the whole genre no... some bands probably could be though. __________________ Out soon... AMENRA - Mass III 2xLP [stunning vinyl release of the belgian sludgecore giants epic 06 album] FALL OF EFRAFA - Owsla & Elil CD&LP [British crust/doom/post-metal band Fall of Efrafa deliver part two (Elil) on their dark conceptual trilogy. Part one (Owsla) will also be re-released for the first time in the UK] *** visit... Sound Devastation Records website**

04-20-2007, 03:24 PM	#59 (permalink)
Kevorkian Logic Imperfectly Perfect Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,290	according to my history book all forms of avant-garde went out of fashion in 80s. __________________ "it is only through a limitless accumulation of the imperfect that a certain type of perfection can be attained"

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04-20-2007, 10:21 AM	#55 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Avant-garde doesn't literally mean without barriers.

04-20-2007, 02:22 PM	#57 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	That is a definition, but it's not what it literally means. It literally means front guard. I was just being an anal retentive ass for reasons unknown.

04-20-2007, 02:41 PM	#58 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Which is what the definition says. No worries...I was being a pedantic twat, also for unknown reasons... ...does this mean we were being avant-garde?!?

04-20-2007, 03:33 PM	#60 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	So what replaced it?... ...nouveau-avante-garde? avante-garde-nouveaux? post avante-garde? Your history books are ridiculous...how can anything experimental go out of fashion?