Avant-garde/Experimental?
 

I suggest that an avant-garde/experimental forum should be made.

I think it would get absolutely no attention...those are just sub genres to other genres...they can fit comfortably into other forums.

I agree that it would probably get minimal if not no attention, but I don't really agree that they'd fit comfortably into other forums. The only forum it would sorta fit into is alternative & indie because those are such general names. I suppose a lot of avant-garde or experimental artists can be put into more general genres based on the opinions of who is putting them into that genre. Let's take Mr. Bungle for example. They can easily be put into any of the forums that are here except for maybe pop. I lost myself...

I think it needs it's own sub genre forum. Or replace country with it. Who really listens to country?

Well, there are a whole six threads in the country forum...

I'm sure more people listen to avant-garde and experimental than country.

Theres nine pages worth of threads in the country forum...

Really? I can only find six threads.

on the bottom of the thread index, click "from beggining" and do show.

youll get 8 pages

Holy ****! I never noticed that before now! Thank you for the enlightenment! Well, I guess people do listen to country after all. Oh well, I think we should have an avant-garde/experimental forum anyway.

i dont get your sig popisdead >.>

It's a line from "Myxomatosis" by Radiohead.

But yeah, this forum won't happen.

Avant-garde (pronounced /ɑvɑ̃ gɑʁd/) in French means front guard, advance guard, or vanguard.[1] People often use the term in French and English to refer to people or works that are experimental or novel, particularly with respect to art, culture, and politics.

According to its champions, the avant-garde pushes the boundaries of what is accepted as the norm within definitions of art/culture/reality. (wiki)

If an avant-guard forum isn't going to happen, then there's no stopping this thread from being a place for some good discussion on the subject.
Maybe this thread could be moved to a more suitable forum.

Discuss the influence of Avant-garde/Experimental bands, ground breaking albums in particular, have had on shaping popular music as it is today.

Yeah, I think if an official thread is made on it it would be good, then if its a really popular thread suggest it again.

Interesting idea. I'm down with that. Perhaps I'll start a discussion later; I don't feel like starting things at the moment. In a few hours perhaps...

Do it now you lazy toe-rag. ;)

Make a thread of the same name as this, only in say 'General' for example (seeing as avant-garde and experimental music has influences across many genres) with a short explanation of the thread;

It's a fascinating subject.
Bands like the Velvet Underground, early Talking Heads, Frank Zappa, Eno, the Flaming Lips...the list is endless.
It opens a whole possibility for discussion about influential bands and the albums that have been released through the years that were ahead of their time and went on to be recognised as significant contributions towards developing modern music as it is now.

Do it and Ethan can delete this thread later.

Edit: It'll make a nice change from spray on condoms or who the latest boy/girl band is.

Even though I made one, I agree, I was just bored. Avant-garde/Experimental music is so much more fascinating to talk about, like a whole lot. Even though most wouldn't agree.

Alright. So an important music scene that was often considered avant-garde or experimental was the no wave scene in late 70's/early 80's New York City. This music which was called "no wave" was basically consisted of a strong rhythm section throughout with abrasive atonal sounds on guitar and other instruments (sometimes saxophone or keyboard to name a few). It often didn't have a melody and instead focused on musical texture. An essential album from this genre is No New York, which was a Brian Eno produced compilation album of some no wave artists. A few important no wave artists include Teenage Jesus & The Jerks (as well as frontwoman Lydia Lunch), James Chance & The Contortions, DNA, Mars, Swans, and Sonic Youth. Sonic Youth only got their beginning in no wave and eventually mixed the noisy sounds of no wave to a larger audience. No wave has had a widespread influence on noise and industrial bands such as Big Black, Live Skull, and Helmet. No wave has also had a widespread influence on other bands including Liars, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and even !!!. It has influenced the sound of other genres like post-hardcore.

Now, here's a list of some important artists that are often considered avant-garde or experimental (some of these could easily be placed in other more well known genres, others not so much): John Cage, Buckethead, Can, Bjork, Aphex Twin, Boards Of Canada, Brian Eno, Mr. Bungle and other Mike Patton related projects, Yoko Ono, The Residents, Sonic Youth, Swans, John Zorn, Secret Chiefs 3, Gastr Del Sol, Jim O'Rourke, Thurston Moore, Wolf Eyes, and many more. The influence of avant-garde and experimental music is apparent in almost every band that is more "unconventional" or "against the grain".

Here are a few favourite albums of mine that are avant-garde or experimental and are difficult to put in any other genre: Mr. Bungle and Disco Volante by Mr. Bungle, God In Three Persons and Tweedles! by The Residents, Book M and Second Grand Constitution and Bylaws, Hurqalya by Secret Chiefs 3, DNA On DNA by DNA, Everything by Teenage Jesus & The Jerks, and Solo Guitar by Alan Sparhawk. That's all I'm gonna talk on the subject in this post.

Shit man. I was typing that last post of mine while the two posts before it were posted. Shall I just copy and paste that in some other forum?

What music forum do you want me to move this to?

Might as well move it to general music or alternative I guess.

k, if it his twenty five pages i'll start pushing the new admin to make one. Don't think he'll take any notice of me but i'll try <.<

Alright, let's see how this goes then.

yeah and experimental music would be great you know, because We all love making it, could discuss all the crazy things we do,

This is true. I like the whole third bridge guitar technique that's used in a lot of experimental music, especially no wave.

Twenty-five pages is really quite massive...

yeah this is true, so w need conversation man. For everyone's intrest and my sort of bragging, my set up consists right now of a floor tom, high hat, over turned bucket, cheap keyboard, Drum machine/sampler (which i use as an amazing effects box lots of the time) and telecastor,

No Wave is awesome. I love Branca and James Chance, but DNA is my favorite. THey're just so noisy, they rule.

I like krautrock as well. Faust is amazing and my favorite krautrock band. Can and Amon Duul II are awesome as well, and Neu is also good. I'd love to find more of this music, but i really don't know where to find it :/

i might upload some albums for this thread, especially some of the No Wave stuff I've been accumulating over the last while. There's a lot of good "revivalists" out there as well, like Arab on Radar. If anyone is interested in uploads, then we should do that. It'd generate discussion as well :)

and on the subject of experimental music, has anyone heard Jandek?

Fifteen, <.< it has to be somewhat big for a whole forum.

Hmm. I've never heard of Arab On Radar or Jandek. Do you think they're worth checking out?

Also, I'm not really sure how we'd go about doing uploads, but if it's at all possible, I'm definitely up for doing some uploads. If you know how I'd go about doing uploads, send me a message. I'm not educated in such an art just yet.

1. If you're into No Wave then i'd say you'd definitely like Arab on Radar. As for Jandek, I'm not sure since I have no idea what you're into. His music is pretty unclassifiable, and most people seem to either love or hate it, with not much middle ground. He's an enigmatic guy, read some of this for more:
Jandek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. As for uploads, we'd upload albums to something like sendspace or megaupload, post the links here, and people could download them. Great way to check out new music. Check out "the sharing thread" at the top of the general music forum for an idea of how this works.

I generally tend to have a liking for anything that's different than most other things, if that helps you on if you'd think I'd like Jandek or not. But I'll check out Arab On Radar for sure.

Thanks for the upload advice. I've never really bothered to check out that thread, so maybe I will now.

Yeah man. I've been getting into some krautrock lately myself, especially Neu!, Can, and Guru Guru (I'm not quite sure if Guru Guru are considered krautrock though.)

Alright, I uploaded "Main Titles (God In Three Persons)" by The Residents, which I think is a nice avant-garde song. I hope I did this right... Main Titles (God In Three Persons)

Here's what I think is a good example of no wave. This song is "Horse" by DNA. Again, I don't know if I did this right. Horse

yeah you did them fine. I have that DNA song, but I'll check out The Residents, thanks.

No New York compilation
hxxp://www.mediafire.com/?bymnmun2mty

change 'x' to 't'.

This is like the most important No Wave album, so if you ain't got it - get it!

I have that one. It's excellent. If anybody else likes to listen to something different AND AWESOME, check this out.

Here's an Arab on Radar upload, for those who want to check them out.

hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=OT4SZQTM

Danke schoen.